do you have much stuff on CD to mix then???

I'd be mixing lots of stone roses, suede, smashing pumpkins and other indie bands beginning with 's'...

not really rhe djing I'm after!

I don't have a vast amount of dance music on CD mate, but there are always a few elusive tracks that are virtually impossible to get hold of on 12"... 

Apart from that, I want to burn my own tunes to CDR and play them in my mixes; plus I also fancy doing my some of my own re-edits of tunes that I've bought on vinyl. Have you ever bought a tune that is really good ... except for a stupidly long breakdown, or some really dodgy bit in it? Or the intro (or lack thereof) makes it virtually unmixable? Or it has a really poncy kick drum? etc etc.

I've only bought the one CD deck as I still plan to mix mainly with vinyl. I sold my shitty old rackmount dual-CDJ on eBay, and put the money towards one decent deck!

fancy coming round to show me your mixing skills on thursday 24th or Friday 25th June?

I need plenty of tips on mine too!!!

So how are you finding the CDJ- satisfying to use?

I love my CDJ , just need to save up the cash to by a second one, then i'll probably migrate to CD only mixing. Its the future i reckon

I still find it quite tricky knitting the CD sound to vinyl tho

QUOTE (russelldust @ Jun 5 2004, 19:40)

suede, smashing pumpkins

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I'd be mixing lots of stone roses, suede, smashing pumpkins and other indie bands beginning with 's'...

Why not have a go mate.

Once I tried mixing CJ Bolland with Scott Joplin, it kinda worked...

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So how are you finding the CDJ- satisfying to use?

Lovely mate. I started out with crappy CD decks before I bought "proper" decks, but there was no turning back once I'd got used to the feel of vinyl. So I was cynical about using CDs again.

However when I tried out Pioneer's "vinyl emulation" decks in the shop (the 800 & 1000mk2) I was instantly taken by them. They've definitely put the fun back in CD-mixing!

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I still find it quite tricky knitting the CD sound to vinyl tho

Yeah tell me about it ... CDs seem to need a bit of a bass boost ... but even so vinyl has some unique quality to it... you can always tell when you mix from one to the other.

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Jun 6 2004, 00:54)

QUOTE I'd be mixing lots of stone roses, suede, smashing pumpkins and other indie bands beginning with 's'... Why not have a go mate. Once I tried mixing CJ Bolland with Scott Joplin, it kinda worked... once i mixed 'hotbutter - popcorn' into some techno track (cant remember which one mind) and it seemed to work really well

Well after getting a cdj800 at the weekend...

I still cant honestly say i love the thing.

time will tell i suppose.

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Jun 6 2004, 00:54)

CDs seem to need a bit of a bass boost ... but even so vinyl has some unique quality to it... you can always tell when you mix from one to the other.

If you are using cds from the original source, the quality will be better then vinyl (which, funnily enough, gets worse every time you play it...) - the only time you will ever notice a difference in cd and vinyl is if you either burn an mp3 to cd, or listen for vinyl 'pops' :-)

records are mastered differently depending on which format they are being transferred to, so a cd is gonna appear a lot 'crisper' than a record.

QUOTE (Ian Cashman @ Jun 16 2004, 20:04)

records are mastered differently depending on which format they are being transferred to, so a cd is gonna appear a lot 'crisper' than a record.

true.... when they are mastered at pressing plants, they usually add a little bit of compression which might explain why the bass/kick feels stronger on vinyl??

BOTH

QUOTE (Chris Hutchinson @ Jun 16 2004, 21:15)

true.... when they are mastered at pressing plants, they usually add a little bit of compression which might explain why the bass/kick feels stronger on vinyl??

Chris,

The difference in sound shouldn't be caused by compression. Masters are compressed before being burned to CD too, to achieve the maximum possible levels.

More likely, it's simply the fact that you're using analogue cutting equipment (i.e. a diamond or something which is wiggling around while carving into the vinyl!!) so, unless the wiggling is absolutely perfect (which is next to impossible) a certain amount of 'colour' (harmonics, distortion, etc) will be introduced into the sound. 

Also the treble sounds crisper on brand new vinyl, because fundamentally there are frequencies in there that can't appear on a CD (which can't accurately reproduce frequencies over about 22.1KHz). (Some people say that we can't hear anything over 22.1Khz, others tell us that the higher frequencies do have discernible effects).

Plus, I suspect they may over-compensate for the 'wearing out' of vinyl by boosting the top-end that bit more...?

on a club sound system tho you're not going to be able to tell the difference as the speakers are designed to go loud and not necessarily have the best sound meaning that all these very subtle differences are completely irrelevant when playing out

QUOTE (benrostwood @ Jun 17 2004, 02:51)

on a club sound system tho you're not going to be able to tell the difference as the speakers are designed to go loud and not necessarily have the best sound meaning that all these very subtle differences are completely irrelevant when playing out

Depends on the club. i can name a few clubs with a crisp precise sound system