sack the teacher

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Bukey said:

it's not down to teachers to force any kind of religion (or atheism or agnostism) down kids throats.

Fully agree.

I think it's very dubious the way religion, morality & education are bundled together.

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Bukey said:

Get your arse up the school - and have a go at the teacher. Get the teacher to then apologise to your daughter and say he was playing a joke.

 

 

one again Bukey, how confused is the poor kid gonna be when they find out the "real" truth?

 

he exists.

 

no he doesn't exist

 

actually he does, it was a joke

 

no really he doesn't

 

 

santa clause is a bit of a sick [censored] fantasy trip, tbh.

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Phil_r said:

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Bukey said:

Get your arse up the school - and have a go at the teacher. Get the teacher to then apologise to your daughter and say he was playing a joke.

 

 

one again Bukey, how confused is the poor kid gonna be when they find out the "real" truth?

 

he exists.

 

no he doesn't exist

 

actually he does, it was a joke

 

no really he doesn't

 

 

santa clause is a bit of a sick [censored] fantasy trip, tbh.

 

So, lets tell kids all the realities of the world from day one. Let's show them what a [censored] up world we really live in. Let's strip them of fantasy, of fairytales, of cartooons and kiddies programs.

 

Let's make them watch educational television programmes only (such as those on the Discovery Channel). No bullshit of stories like Hansel and Gretel (I mean, witches and houses made of sweets!). No bullshit where everything ends happily - lets end all the stories realistically where everyone ends up dead.

 

FFS Phil, get a life.

 

It's okay to indulge kids in fantasy and make believe - believe it or not it stimulates their minds, allows them to develop a sense of imagnation and grow to be more social and human beings.

 

The kid won't end up [censored] up at all... Tell them when they're 9 or 10... May be heartbroken for a while, like half an hour or a day or so. But they'll look back and be thankful of all the fun and adventure they had for the rest of their lives. Steal that now, and the kid will be more bitter in later life.

 

Which will make the kid a more [censored] up member of society? A bitter one, or one with a slightly happier childhood? Now what's the sick fantasy trip?

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Bukey said:

 

So, lets tell kids all the realities of the world from day one. Let's show them what a [censored] up world we really live in. Let's strip them of fantasy, of fairytales, of cartooons and kiddies programs.

 

 

that is not what I'm saying - you're planting words.

 

"all the realities" doesn't include what is basically a huge lie, dreamed up by coca cola.

 

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Let's make them watch educational television programmes only (such as those on the Discovery Channel). No bullshit of stories like Hansel and Gretel (I mean, witches and houses made of sweets!). No bullshit where everything ends happily - lets end all the stories realistically where everyone ends up dead.

 

there is no disputing whatsoever that certain stories ARE fantasy.

 

no one is pretending that jack and jill exist.

 

"Santa clause" is actually trying to convince kids for real, that father christmas is a real person who does exist, in real life, .

 

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FFS Phil, get a life.

 

i have one but it's slightly different from yours.

 

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It's okay to indulge kids in fantasy and make believe - believe it or not it stimulates their minds, allows them to develop a sense of imagnation and grow to be more social and human beings.

 

 

correct. star wars is fantasy. so is harry potter, and lord of the things, but no one is trying to convince kids these characters actually exist, for real.

 

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The kid won't end up [censored] up at all... Tell them when they're 9 or 10... May be heartbroken for a while, like half an hour or a day or so. But they'll look back and be thankful of all the fun and adventure they had for the rest of their lives. Steal that now, and the kid will be more bitter in later life.

 

 

unfortunately, like you say, this is real life, and you can't control what children hear. it is impossible and unrealistic to think you can tell kids what you want, when you want.

 

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Which will make the kid a more [censored] up member of society? A bitter one, or one with a slightly happier childhood? Now what's the sick fantasy trip?

 

to be honest mate, the better the family upbringing a chuld has, the more chance they have of not being f*cked, without even considering when they hear about santa clause.

 

I'm sure i know ppl who knew about "santa clause" when they were young, who are less [censored] up than ppl who were strung along for longer.

 

just MO.

something that my mum said to me tonight about the situation

 

"whats better, the truth that brings a tear, or a lie that brings a smile"

 

made me go all warm inside

in this case surely u can tell the truth, and still all feel good about it

 

not really....and you wont understand that until you have kids of your own

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not really....and you wont understand that until you have kids of your own

 

there's no way i'd pretend that wasn't true.

 

but i'd still try n make sure i loved'em enough that they didn't care he wasn't real

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Phil_r said:

in this case surely u can tell the truth, and still all feel good about it

 

Phil half the magic at crimbo when your a child is knowing that santa is coming on his sleigh to bring you lots of pressies & leaving him a glass of milk & biscuit for Rudolph!!

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Phil_r said:

in this case surely u can tell the truth, and still all feel good about it

 

Phil half the magic at crimbo when your a child is knowing that santa is coming on his sleigh to bring you lots of pressies & leaving him a glass of milk & biscuit for Rudolph!!

 

Hangon. and you promote the bible? (don't yell at me on this one pls! ) - pm if ya want

a very naive view there phil

 

at christmas, kids dont care who loves them or how much, the first time my kids see santa on telly, shop window etc there eyes light up, the excitement is unreal for them, that cannot be replaced by telling/showing my kids how much i love them. after all i do tell them about 5 times a day, so the novelty has kinda wore off

i have some sympathy with phil's position.

 

we impress upon our kids, from an early age, the importance of always telling the truth then one day we tell them we've been lying to them for 5/10/whatever years about something as (relatively) mundane and commercial as santa.

 

so you have to explain that it's "different". well what did you just teach them? the conclusion is surely obvious?

 

encouraging imagination and telling the truth don't have to be mutually exclusive do they? i guess it's all part of the challenge of being a parent...

 

alasdair

Edited December 2, 200321 yr by alasdairm

its hardly lying....until that day arrives when they do ask, which unfortunately has come sooner than i thought

 

i was leaving them to beleive what they wanted to believe in.

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a very naive view there phil

 

at christmas, kids dont care who loves them or how much, the first time my kids see santa on telly, shop window etc there eyes light up, the excitement is unreal for them, that cannot be replaced by telling/showing my kids how much i love them. after all i do tell them about 5 times a day, so the novelty has kinda wore off

 

i had that all the time, but i think my parents told me early on cos i can never remember thinking he was real.

 

my main upset at christmas was my dad (and mates dad) taking my transformers off me (and mate) as soon as we unwrapped them to play with them themself then i think we both ate chocolate.

Edited December 2, 200321 yr by Phil_r