what is the definition of this?

 

I figured it must be straight forward but then there are so many what-ifs..

 

for example lesbians.. they have sex right but there's not actually anything to penetrate with - nothing they have naturally anyway!

 

and what about anal sex.. what if a girl has had anal sex but not regular sex?

 

and gay men - what if they've taken it but never given it?

 

Am I right in saying there is no speficic definition of this?

 

Edited August 12, 200420 yr by squeakage

very gd point - i like how u think

why do you care?

why do you ask?

its just a question an a curiousity! get ppl talkin. its a philosophical question.

the last person i mentioned this to got very upset

 

but in all seriousness I believe it was because he was a closet homosexual.

 

he became very defensive and he wasn't actually involved in the initial conversation

 

Lesbiens is a bit of a tricky one, but i guess if they have penetrated their hymen in a sexual act, so with some big old strap on then i guess that counts, although as i've typed this i bet most lasses have penetrated themselves anyway with the old DIY

 

Anal sex still counts as penetrative sex so yeah i would say the virginity is lost.

 

Gay men, whether giving or receiving still counts as loosing virginity

 

 

 

 

Bloody good point Squeakmeister. Since "penetration" has always been the yardstick, it seems crazy that carpet-munchers are not able to "do it".

 

In that sense it's a circular issue. I.e. "What you define as virginity" determines "what is the significance of losing your virginity / what is the point of the word", and in turn "what is the significance of losing your virginity" determines how we define "what is virginity".

 

Philosophical indeed.

QUOTE (squeakage @ Aug 12 2004, 17:54)

what if a girl has had anal sex but not regular sex?

Then she's pure filth

thats a bit harsh - mite b medical or sumthing mad, for once i totally agree wi liquid eyes

I'd say that anything sexual and penatrative would class as a loss of virginity. Hymen breaking doesnt class as loss of virginity seeing as it can break riding a bike or dive bombing in a swimming pool.

^ quite. For every definition I can think of, there's an exception to the rule, or an argument for why that definition is meaningless.

virginity (v@R"dZInItI). Forms: 4-5 virgynyte, 6

-ite; 4-6 vyrgynyte, 5 -enyte, 6 -inite; 4-6 virginite

(-itee, 4 wirginite, 5 Sc. verginite), 5 -yte, 5-7

-itie, 6- virginity. [a. AF. and OF. virginite (mod.F.

virginite, = It. verginita, virginita, Sp. virginidad,

Pg. -idade), ad. L. virginitat-, virginitas, f. virgin-,

stem of virgo: see virgin n. and -ity.]

1. The condition of being or remaining in a state of chastity;

abstinence from or avoidance of all sexual relations; bodily

chastity, as a virtue of great commendation, or as conferring

especial merit or sanctity; the mode of life characterized by

this, esp. as adopted from religious motives.

 

Arguably you could class a snog as a "sexual relation" though.

Edited August 13, 200420 yr by LiquidEyes

sexual relations have to involve genitalia...

 

Incidentally my best mate is the country's expert on transexual rape having written a legal paper on it...

 

type Gareth Branston transexual rape and I'm sure you'll find something

 

 

(legally a transexual woman is still a man, and for a long time rape only covered the vagina... therefore legally you couldn't prove a transexual had a vagina (as a man cannot) so a transexual couldn't be raped... my mate helped to change the precedent).