The Suns view of Hardhouse!!!!!!

[Capn Jack]

Each to their own, enjoy whatever you want to enjoy. No point in trying to make people change their minds about what they like and don't like.

[ReBirth]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

Can I introduce you to mr techno??

 

heh, yea, percussion in techno is also ace

[Ian Cashman]

Mr_Moo said:

Hardhouse: Mindlessly repetative dance music that lacks the melody, lyrics or funk of normal music.

Im ac-tu-ally of-fen-ded !!!!!

 

[MrBagginz]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

jon_m said:

Mr_Moo said:

cos its not repetative!

this is officially the biggest lie ever

 

 

Im sure the likes of Umek and Ben Sims would disagree with ya there Jon!!

 

techno is FAR MORE repetitve then hardhouse will ever be, which asks the question......why is it more interesting then hardhouse

 

The repetitive side of Techno is there to allow the DJ more scope for manipulating the sounds and creating while playing live. Hence, techno DJ's are often found to play on more than two decks. Me thinks anyway. The tunes are almost just meant to be pieces of the puzzle, not neccessarily enjoyable on their own, but more so when overlapped with other tracks. Having said that, that could apply to all dance music. Its just that genres like prog, and techno get tunes that are geared more towards just being a smaller piece of the puzzle. So when you hear a hardhouse DJ play, you might think wow what a [censored] tune! In a techno set you think, wow, that is really working and fitting in with what else is going on in this set.

 

But I [censored] love hardhouse anyway, and the sun aren't exactly known for their support of dance music anyway. Cast your minds back to the Anti Rave days in the early 90's the sun lead the way for the I hate dance music goons.

 

So [censored] em.

 

[Mr Happy]

Mr_Moo said:

Hardhouse: Mindlessly repetative dance music that lacks the melody, lyrics or funk of normal music.

 

 

Your views?

 

its very true - all club music is repetative and hard house especially has a lack of melody, lyrics and funk of 'normal' music

 

but u have to bare in mind that the suns term of 'normal' music would be everythin from compertial pop to indie. and ne kinda of radio friendly music has to be much shorter with more 'features' in it. club music is designed to work in combination with other tunes so they oftern sound a little dull on thier own if ur not patient enuf to listen to the set as a whole, how ever 'normal' music is designed to be played alot on its own

 

hard house is 4 work genre 4 vocals, imo with out a doubt. i meen since when has "drop the bass" or "what we're gonna do here is go back" or "kick it" etc ever been an example of sum1s creative writting? a vocal hard house tune is few and far bettwen and most definatly not the norm.

 

hard house isnt ment to be funky either. its just ment to be hard (and cheesy )

 

u cant really turn aorund tho and say "well techno is more dull" etc as the only other club music the sun probably get exposed to is trance (and the worst kinda of it i would imagin), and perhaps house (again the more accessible variety) as i would be v suprised if they made frequant trips to clubs so they probably base thier analysis on complation cds and we all know that cd's r the worst medium for protraying club music in its true glory

 

thats my thoughts ne way

[MrBagginz]

Mr_Happy said:

Mr_Moo said:

Hardhouse: Mindlessly repetative dance music that lacks the melody, lyrics or funk of normal music.

 

 

Your views?

 

its very true - all club music is repetative and hard house especially has a lack of melody, lyrics and funk of 'normal' music

 

but u have to bare in mind that the suns term of 'normal' music would be everythin from compertial pop to indie. and ne kinda of radio friendly music has to be much shorter with more 'features' in it. club music is designed to work in combination with other tunes so they oftern sound a little dull on thier own if ur not patient enuf to listen to the set as a whole, how ever 'normal' music is designed to be played alot on its own

 

hard house is 4 work genre 4 vocals, imo with out a doubt. i meen since when has "drop the bass" or "what we're gonna do here is go back" or "kick it" etc ever been an example of sum1s creative writting? a vocal hard house tune is few and far bettwen and most definatly not the norm.

 

hard house isnt ment to be funky either. its just ment to be hard (and cheesy )

 

u cant really turn aorund tho and say "well techno is more dull" etc as the only other club music the sun probably get exposed to is trance (and the worst kinda of it i would imagin), and perhaps house (again the more accessible variety) as i would be v suprised if they made frequant trips to clubs so they probably base thier analysis on complation cds and we all know that cd's r the worst medium for protraying club music in its true glory

 

thats my thoughts ne way

 

Very true,

 

Its actually pointless to even get worked up over it. No newspaper like the sun, or whatever you want, is going to really approve publicly about a musical genre that is so intrinsicly linked to drugs is it. Just aint gonna happen.

 

So [censored] em

[Chris-Hutchinson]

MrBagginz said:

The repetitive side of Techno is there to allow the DJ more scope for manipulating the sounds and creating while playing live. Hence, techno DJ's are often found to play on more than two decks. Me thinks anyway. The tunes are almost just meant to be pieces of the puzzle, not neccessarily enjoyable on their own, but more so when overlapped with other tracks. Having said that, that could apply to all dance music. Its just that genres like prog, and techno get tunes that are geared more towards just being a smaller piece of the puzzle. So when you hear a hardhouse DJ play, you might think wow what a [censored] tune! In a techno set you think, wow, that is really working and fitting in with what else is going on in this set.

 

This is why, whether you love or hate Techno music, you gotta respect the DJs purely for how [censored] skilled they are!

 

Anyone that can take 2 or more tunes, and layer them so that they sound like one different tune is incredibly talented! Saw Sterling Moss play @ Storm....he had 2 tunes on the go, a 909 playing over the top, and was scratching on the 3rd deck.....to say it was amazing is a huge understatement!

[MrBagginz]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

MrBagginz said:

The repetitive side of Techno is there to allow the DJ more scope for manipulating the sounds and creating while playing live. Hence, techno DJ's are often found to play on more than two decks. Me thinks anyway. The tunes are almost just meant to be pieces of the puzzle, not neccessarily enjoyable on their own, but more so when overlapped with other tracks. Having said that, that could apply to all dance music. Its just that genres like prog, and techno get tunes that are geared more towards just being a smaller piece of the puzzle. So when you hear a hardhouse DJ play, you might think wow what a [censored] tune! In a techno set you think, wow, that is really working and fitting in with what else is going on in this set.

 

This is why, whether you love or hate Techno music, you gotta respect the DJs purely for how [censored] skilled they are!

 

Anyone that can take 2 or more tunes, and layer them so that they sound like one different tune is incredibly talented! Saw Sterling Moss play @ Storm....he had 2 tunes on the go, a 909 playing over the top, and was scratching on the 3rd deck.....to say it was amazing is a huge understatement!

 

Sounds [censored] incredible.

[Phil rr]

ok i think I'm gonna go on a high horse....

 

(if anyone works for the sun, ignore )

 

the sun: mindless repetitive crap written by second rate journalists who want to sell newspapers to the masses, most of whom dont have a [censored] clue about anything other than football and getting pissed and swearing in the street at chucking-out time. selling newspapers everyday means that most of the content is wank.

[MrBagginz]

Phil_raa said:

ok i think I'm gonna go on a high horse....

 

(if anyone works for the sun, ignore )

 

the sun: mindless repetitive crap written by second rate journalists who want to sell newspapers to the masses, most of whom dont have a [censored] clue about anything other than football and getting pissed and swearing in the street at chucking-out time. selling newspapers everyday means that most of the content is wank.

 

amen

[jon_m]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

jon_m said:

Mr_Moo said:

cos its not repetative!

this is officially the biggest lie ever

 

 

Im sure the likes of Umek and Ben Sims would disagree with ya there Jon!!

 

techno is FAR MORE repetitve then hardhouse will ever be, which asks the question......why is it more interesting then hardhouse

im sure it is but im not saying it isnt!! gabbas more repetitive but u cant say hard house isnt repetitive just cos other genres are more so

[Mr Happy]

jon_m said:

Chris_Hutchinson said:

jon_m said:

Mr_Moo said:

cos its not repetative!

this is officially the biggest lie ever

 

 

Im sure the likes of Umek and Ben Sims would disagree with ya there Jon!!

 

techno is FAR MORE repetitve then hardhouse will ever be, which asks the question......why is it more interesting then hardhouse

im sure it is but im not saying it isnt!! gabbas more repetitive but u cant say hard house isnt repetitive just cos other genres are more so

 

v tru

[Chris-Hutchinson]

jon_m said:

im sure it is but im not saying it isnt!! gabbas more repetitive but u cant say hard house isnt repetitive just cos other genres are more so

 

Hardhouse only sounds repetitive because of [censored] DJs who daren't play anything that isnt being played by every other DJ.....

 

There is a LOT of variation in the 'hardhouse' genre... you cant honestly say a tune by Eufex and a tune by Ingo are anything like each other can ya? If DJs would expand their collections a bit further then the latest tidytrax/nukleuz/tripoli promos, the scene would be a lot more interesting!!!

[jon_m]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

jon_m said:

im sure it is but im not saying it isnt!! gabbas more repetitive but u cant say hard house isnt repetitive just cos other genres are more so

 

Hardhouse only sounds repetitive because of [censored] DJs who daren't play anything that isnt being played by every other DJ.....

 

There is a LOT of variation in the 'hardhouse' genre... you cant honestly say a tune by Eufex and a tune by Ingo are anything like each other can ya? If DJs would expand their collections a bit further then the latest tidytrax/nukleuz/tripoli promos, the scene would be a lot more interesting!!!

variation between tunes yeah true, but as a genre its repetitive, all dance music is mate! FACT

a repetitive series of 16 bars, breakdown followed by a different repeitive series of 16 bars

u cant disagree with me surely?

[Phil rr]

jon_m said:

 

variation between tunes yeah true, but as a genre its repetitive, all dance music is mate! FACT

a repetitive series of 16 bars, breakdown followed by a different repeitive series of 16 bars

u cant disagree with me surely?

 

 

true, dance music is created on electronic gadgets and the style has a bass drum going more or less constantly throughought the whole tune. chords are similar (clothes show tune ne one (by pet shop bopys -- in the night, btw))

 

but footballs just ppl kickin a ball round