CTW DJs DJ Elemental Posted June 8, 2003 CTW DJs Share Posted June 8, 2003 ReBirth said: DJ_Elemental said: i some what aggree with the sun. I find hard house waaaaaaaaaaaay to predicable and lose interest after listening to it for a while. Its boring to produce, far to easy Wow..no hold on mate...Hard House is definately not easy to produce. If it was, then we all would've been able to call ourselves Mr. Ben Keen... I really resent that comment. Hard House is is just as complicated as any other genre. It's doesn't just take an offbeat bassline, a rough kick and a hoover to make a hard House track ya know... Personally I think that the percussion in hard House is by far the most complex of all music genres. I could spend hours on making my percussion.. I think you should first try producing a Hard House tune and getting it signed to Tidy or Nukkleuz before making a statement like that. i still can't agree, maybe its because i produce a vast range of musical styles and aware of complecities on certain genres which strech way beyond the hard house genres limits. i still see hard house as over predictable, and to get it signed to a label can go two ways, either it wont because its far to commerical OR because it sounds like someone other famous producers track it will get signed for that matter. Imyet to hear a hard house choon which is unlike any other i've heard, thou i think hard house has reached the stage where it cannot develope any further and a new genre should be introduced. Im not slaggin off hard house i do enjoy it, just looking at it from a producers point of view Quote http://bos.abavagada.net/oddfiles/djelementalonline.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW DJs Chris-Hutchinson Posted June 8, 2003 CTW DJs Share Posted June 8, 2003 DJ_Elemental said: Imyet to hear a hard house choon which is unlike any other i've heard, thou i think hard house has reached the stage where it cannot develope any further and a new genre should be introduced. What are you calling 'hardhouse' tho?? The stuff which is simply 150bpm happy hardcore, stuff with random hoovers in, or the original hardhouse sound?? If you havent heard any of the 'oldskool' hardhouse, check out stuff along the lines of Chupher 'Systems Pumping' and Chris C 'Whitewolf' and you will realise it only became predictable when the likes of tidytrax/nukleuz/tripoli and all their re-releases bastardised it.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members Lil_Zippy Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted June 9, 2003 What kind of dumb fook reads then sun anyway!? But admittedly, most hardhouse is boring, simple, cheesy. But its loads of fun to move to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Promotors CreamyC Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Promotors Share Posted June 9, 2003 Mr_Moo said: Hardhouse: Mindlessly repetative dance music that lacks the melody, lyrics or funk of normal music. Your views? It was on page 24 me thinks! Im ac-tu-ally of-fen-ded !!!!! Nice one my Sun. Keep up the good work. Quote CreamyC™ Email: CreamyC@ClubTheWorld.uk MSN: CreamyCTW@Hotmail.com Mobile: 07956 462 642 (T-Mobile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Promotors CreamyC Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Promotors Share Posted June 9, 2003 Moo, you sad pathetic moron, why the hell are you offended? Has the Sun personally attacked you? No. Fool. Quote CreamyC™ Email: CreamyC@ClubTheWorld.uk MSN: CreamyCTW@Hotmail.com Mobile: 07956 462 642 (T-Mobile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW DJs LiamStyles Posted June 9, 2003 CTW DJs Share Posted June 9, 2003 Moo, surely you should be more worried if the Sun said hard house was brilliant and that they were goin to cover it for the newspaper! Then you'd have reason to be offended. Quote LiamStyles Bet you look good on the dancefloor *LiamStyles - mixes on rotation* Current mix "No Concept Of Time" CLICK HERE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Promotors CreamyC Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Promotors Share Posted June 9, 2003 Voted this post a 1. Voted the Sun a 5. Quote CreamyC™ Email: CreamyC@ClubTheWorld.uk MSN: CreamyCTW@Hotmail.com Mobile: 07956 462 642 (T-Mobile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW DJs Guyster Posted June 9, 2003 CTW DJs Share Posted June 9, 2003 Mr_Moo said: Hardhouse: Mindlessly repetative dance music that lacks the melody, lyrics or funk of normal music. Your views? It was on page 24 me thinks! Im ac-tu-ally of-fen-ded !!!!! This is the funniest thing I've seen for a while... put a smile on my face.... I'm not going to get started about house v hardhouse v trance etc. All I can say is..... take a look at what was around 15 years ago.... and what wasn't. Just a thought.... Quote WiLDCHiLD - where spacehoppers and pom poms rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Promotors CreamyC Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Promotors Share Posted June 9, 2003 Guyster said: Mr_Moo said: Hardhouse: Mindlessly repetative dance music that lacks the melody, lyrics or funk of normal music. Your views? It was on page 24 me thinks! Im ac-tu-ally of-fen-ded !!!!! This is the funniest thing I've seen for a while... put a smile on my face.... I'm not going to get started about house v hardhouse v trance etc. All I can say is..... take a look at what was around 15 years ago.... and what wasn't. Just a thought.... Correct. Quote CreamyC™ Email: CreamyC@ClubTheWorld.uk MSN: CreamyCTW@Hotmail.com Mobile: 07956 462 642 (T-Mobile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members LiquidEyes Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted June 9, 2003 I think anyone who says genre X is easier to produce than genre Y is totally missing the point. Especially if you call yourself a producer. If you're reasonably musical, have a bit of practice, and acquaint yourself with a given genre, it's easy to bodge together a bundle of cliches thus creating something agreeable (albeit derivative and "unchallenging" to the ear of connoisseurs of that genre). This goes for all genres - house, trance, drum & bass, rock, classical... What is difficult is making a good, original track that stands out from the crowd. The problem with hard house (and other popular genres) is that there are so many crap DJs that will play any old [censored]. ReBirth wrongly makes the implication that getting a track signed to Nukleuz or Tidy would be a worthy credential. That's like saying that Tatu's new single is good because it reached the top 10! Being signed to Tidy would probably indicate you had good production skills but not necessarily good artistic skills. This has nothing to do with repetitiveness. All music is repetitive (to different degrees). There are different sorts of repetition (from structural repetition, right down to thematic repetition). Techno sounds very repetitive because the classic "techy" sound is very blatantly looped, however arguably techno is structurally more varied (e.g. it doesn't endlessly revolve around the buildup-breakdown format). I would argue that repetitiveness is the difference between music and noise (right down to the physics level - a waveform with a pattern is much more agreeable to the ear than a load of random noise!) Mozart's writing was incredibly repetitive. In fact most classical composers resorted to repeating whole sections of music to pad the tracks out! There is nothing inherent about hard house that makes it fundamentally easier or harder to make than any other style of music. The only problem is, as the Sun are hinting at, there are a lot of people who will dance to any old crap when they are off their faces! People who don't know much about dance music, especially more minimal styles such as hard house & techno, only think it is easy to produce because there is no obvious melody or identifiable instrumentation. In most popular styles of music the percussion is only of secondary importance (it's usually little more than an accompaniment), so the idea of music which 90% revolves around rhythm goes right over their heads. They have no idea how much time producers spend crafting each individual sample and layering the rhythms in a house track. Writing house is as much a technical skill as a creative skill, whereas classic song-writing is more purely creative. But the problem with hard house is that there are so many producers with just the technical skills and an utter lack of creativity. In a nutshell: anyone can write crap hard house. But there are plenty of labels who will publish crap! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members Rick D Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted June 9, 2003 Spot on... But then anyone can write crap *Add style here* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members ReBirth Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted June 9, 2003 DJ_Elemental said: i still can't agree, maybe its because i produce a vast range of musical styles and aware of complecities on certain genres which strech way beyond the hard house genres limits. i still see hard house as over predictable, and to get it signed to a label can go two ways, either it wont because its far to commerical OR because it sounds like someone other famous producers track it will get signed for that matter. Imyet to hear a hard house choon which is unlike any other i've heard, thou i think hard house has reached the stage where it cannot develope any further and a new genre should be introduced. Im not slaggin off hard house i do enjoy it, just looking at it from a producers point of view Yea well, I guess each to their own, but I think your view on Hard House production is a bit clouded. I myself produce a very wide range of music and I find that to make a decent Hard House track is by far more difficult than any other electronic music that I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW DJs Guyster Posted June 9, 2003 CTW DJs Share Posted June 9, 2003 liquideyes said: The only problem is, as the Sun are hinting at, there are a lot of people who will dance to any old crap when they are off their faces! And to be fair, people tend to be off their faces a lot more to HH! (hence "wicked" tunes being, some of time... "wank") in my "opinion" of course Quote WiLDCHiLD - where spacehoppers and pom poms rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members LiquidEyes Posted June 9, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted June 9, 2003 rickd said: Spot on... But then anyone can write crap *Add style here* = my whole point Dance music is a victim of its own success. It's become easier for anyone to "have a go" (you can write studio-quality house music on your average home PC) which is definitely a good thing (at least in principle). However the problem is largely due to DJ culture. * DJs become the "new popstars" * Everyone wants to be a DJ * Anyone can learn to beatmatch but... * Most people are still crap DJs! * Crap DJs play crap tunes As per my previous point: * It's easy to write crap music And finally throw this one into the equation: * When people are off their tits they will dance to crap music as long as it's got a fast beat and an energetic bassline! But never mind, there will always be a core of good producers, good DJs and clubbers who do actually give a stuff what they hear in a club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW DJs Guyster Posted June 9, 2003 CTW DJs Share Posted June 9, 2003 liquideyes said: And finally throw this one into the equation: * When people are off their tits they will dance to crap music as long as it's got a fast beat and an energetic bassline! Exactly the point I was making Quote WiLDCHiLD - where spacehoppers and pom poms rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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