What do you think of the techier Hard House?

[LiquidEyes]

Mr Happy: I don't know many specific examples of techno-influenced hard house (apart from some Nick Sentience), but I'm inclined to agree.

 

I love the "hard house" end of techno - dirty and gritty and driving, but still not devoid of funk.

 

But having heard some of the dodgier techno-influenced hard house, I'd say there are a lot of people jumping on the techno bandwagon ("cool, I'll just make my track more minimal") who you can tell don't really "get" techno. Often I find the tracks are too fast, ruining any subtlety or "techiness" of the groove.

 

I reckon there's a fine line speed-wise; it depends on the track, but in general I find techno a bit dodgy above 145bpm. Some of my favourite techno tracks are only around 135bpm but they still sound rock hard!

[Chris Hutchinson]

Mr_Happy said:

just to point 1 thing out:

 

i cant stand the hard house producers interpretation of techno. but i love the techno producers interpretation of hardhouse. ie guy mcaffer, chris liberator, D.A.V.E. the drummer, etc

 

in fairness, the stuff they make is squat/acid based and has nowt to do with hh.....

 

good to see we agree on the main topic tho :-)

[LiquidEyes]

liquideyes said:

But having heard some of the dodgier techno-influenced hard house, I'd say there are a lot of people jumping on the techno bandwagon ("cool, I'll just make my track more minimal") who you can tell don't really "get" techno.

BTW - I'm not just having a dig at hard house producers here.

 

Over the last couple of years, as the popularity of progressive house has declined, a number of prog producers/labels have leapt on the tech-house bandwagon, turning their hands to some of the lamest "techy" productions I have ever heard.

 

The problem is always the bandwagon-jumpers - trying to make stuff they think will sell rather than stuff they are actually any good at producing.

[Rick D]

I haven't read this post apart fromt he first couple... It really does depend on who plays it... I've heard some real [censored] come from a DJ trying to play Techy when they shouldn't even try...

[Mr_Happy]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

Mr_Happy said:

just to point 1 thing out:

 

i cant stand the hard house producers interpretation of techno. but i love the techno producers interpretation of hardhouse. ie guy mcaffer, chris liberator, D.A.V.E. the drummer, etc

 

in fairness, the stuff they make is squat/acid based and has nowt to do with hh.....

 

good to see we agree on the main topic tho :-)

 

o god yeah. its not hardhouse and has nothing to do with hard house. but its arguable that they r the harddance end of techno just as jon doe is the hardhouse end of trance

[ReBirth]

techy techy techy techy techy !!! Love it !!

 

 

But whole set just out of techy stuff ca nget a bit boring...as with any style tbh..

 

 

[Mr_Happy]

ReBirth said:

techy techy techy techy techy !!! Love it !!

 

 

But whole set just out of techy stuff ca nget a bit boring...as with any style tbh..

 

 

y should it tho? surely if a DJ is playing a particular style and its baoring then its the DJ's fault for playing it badly?

[Lisa]

ReBirth said:

techy techy techy techy techy !!! Love it !!

 

 

But whole set just out of techy stuff ca nget a bit boring...as with any style tbh..

 

 

depends really Pierre!! If it is too ploddy then yeh, but however give some dark dirty, acid tech then woo hoo!!!!

[jon_m]

Mr_Happy said:

ReBirth said:

techy techy techy techy techy !!! Love it !!

 

 

But whole set just out of techy stuff ca nget a bit boring...as with any style tbh..

 

 

y should it tho? surely if a DJ is playing a particular style and its baoring then its the DJ's fault for playing it badly?

no!! sasha is a top dj but one of his sets would bore the [censored] out of me!! id probably fall asleep!!

[ReBirth]

It's just that a DJ needs to throw in a bit of variety into his/her set..Ok, fair enough if they're only playing 40 mins or so, then it's kewl yea, but if their playing a marathon set, it's really going to start to sounds "samey".

 

U get wot I'm saying ?

 

 

[Wub Wub]

Variation in any genre is good.

 

 

Some of the producers I speak to have said that what could be classed as 'proper' hard house is on the decline. There are a few producers (Paul King and Ian M for instance) that have retained the original tough, bouncy style of hard house.

 

More and more these days, the hard house that I see coming out is either hard trance or hard tech. This is not nessecarily a bad thing, as all musical genres develop, but it is just a sign of the 'phase' (if you will) that the hard dance scene as a whole is going to.

 

 

[ReBirth]

yea, true..tho a lot of people will disagree on what 'proper' hard house actually was...

 

As for Paul King, he's changing his style now (also left Pants & Corset )

[Mr_Happy]

imo all dance music is samey.

its all artificial drum loops and the same sequencers and samplers

 

u ask a metal head to listen to 1 of the most diverse dance sets u can find and he wont know 1 tune from another.

 

well to me techno isnt samey, but to the hardhouse heads it is. the problem with techy hardhouse is the hardhouse heads r jumping on the bandwaggon without ne prior experence or appretiation 4 the genre and cant work it out

 

just my tuppance worth ne ways

[Shenlong]

i can tell the difference and i am still mainly a metalhead

[Mr_Happy]

Shenlong said:

i can tell the difference and i am still mainly a metalhead

 

yeah, but ur a freek