Differences Between Sequencers

[Claire DC]

Ok, i notice this comin up over and over again in this forum between fruity users and cubase/logic users usually.. here's where u can battle it out.. put each other right and generally argue out ur opinions on sequencers!! Also does anyone think the difference in performance/ability in cubase/logic is enough to justify the difference in price??

 

On ur marks, get set.. GO!!

[LiquidEyes]

Claire,

Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

 

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

 

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

 

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

[CreamyC]

liquideyes said:

Claire,

Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

 

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

 

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

 

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

 

Summed up nicely. Slam dunk.

[Rob D]

Lets be honest, all of them get dicked on by Pro Tools though. And a bit of good news for all you Cubase users - Steinberg will be out of business very soon as they are heading very rapidly to bankrupcy. Oh well.

[LiquidEyes]

re Steinberg bankruptcy:

Where did you get that info from?

[Claire DC]

liquideyes said:

Claire,

Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

 

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

 

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

 

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

 

I can see your point but surely the difference between the 2 isnt really enough to justify the HUGE price difference in them?! I know a LOT of producers on the production forums i go on do use fruity these days and they are all finding it to be fully competent to do what they want it to do and are making tunes of a high quality from it too.. so why shell out the extra for something like cubase/logic/pro tools when they can get fruity which will do what they want it to do but maybe in a different way to any other sequencer?!

[Claire DC]

CreamyC said:

liquideyes said:

Claire,

Fruity is not even in the same league as Cubase/Logic. It is a joke to compare them.

 

It's like comparing a sports car to a juggernaut: FL may be very slick and fun to use, but it is nowhere near as feature-packed as Cubase.

 

FL is basically a loop-editing tool, that has been slightly extended over the last couple of years into a half-baked sequencing package.

 

Cubase & Logic were designed as complete virtual studios, to enable simultaneous recording/playback of multiple audio tracks, and MIDI arrangement. E.g. for recording & producing bands etc.

 

Summed up nicely. Slam dunk.

 

So whats your views on the sequencers.. ie ur reasons for agreeing?

[Ian Cashman]

Claire DC said:

Ok, i notice this comin up over and over again in this forum between fruity users and cubase/logic users usually.. here's where u can battle it out.. put each other right and generally argue out ur opinions on sequencers!! Also does anyone think the difference in performance/ability in cubase/logic is enough to justify the difference in price??

 

On ur marks, get set.. GO!!

 

the theory is.. if you were to buy logic and unlock the es2 and exs24 (synth and sampler) you should need no other 3rd party plug-ins or instruments cos the bundled stuff is of such a high quality you need not look elsewhere.

 

fruity>>

 

the synths are shite

the fx quality is shite

some of the controls for the above all work arse about face

as a sequencer it is very poor if you like to work quickly

visually it is a pain in the [censored] arse

 

if all the fruity users in the world were be given a crash test in logic and able to bypass the learning curve that comes with it, they would never return to fruity.. theres too much difference in the progs to really go into it without going off on one (and i really cant be arsed), but i find the idea of fruity 'snobs' very funny indeed.

[Chris Hutchinson]

Mod1 said:

 

if all the fruity users in the world were be given a crash test in logic and able to bypass the learning curve that comes with it, they would never return to fruity.. theres too much difference in the progs to really go into it without going off on one (and i really cant be arsed), but i find the idea of fruity 'snobs' very funny indeed.

 

Quite a few seem to be making the jump to Reason now though....

[Ian Cashman]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

Mod1 said:

 

if all the fruity users in the world were be given a crash test in logic and able to bypass the learning curve that comes with it, they would never return to fruity.. theres too much difference in the progs to really go into it without going off on one (and i really cant be arsed), but i find the idea of fruity 'snobs' very funny indeed.

 

Quite a few seem to be making the jump to Reason now though....

 

which is still very flawed (imho) but better

[Claire DC]

Mod1 said:

Claire DC said:

Ok, i notice this comin up over and over again in this forum between fruity users and cubase/logic users usually.. here's where u can battle it out.. put each other right and generally argue out ur opinions on sequencers!! Also does anyone think the difference in performance/ability in cubase/logic is enough to justify the difference in price??

 

On ur marks, get set.. GO!!

 

the theory is.. if you were to buy logic and unlock the es2 and exs24 (synth and sampler) you should need no other 3rd party plug-ins or instruments cos the bundled stuff is of such a high quality you need not look elsewhere.

 

fruity>>

 

the synths are shite

the fx quality is shite

some of the controls for the above all work arse about face

as a sequencer it is very poor if you like to work quickly

visually it is a pain in the [censored] arse

 

if all the fruity users in the world were be given a crash test in logic and able to bypass the learning curve that comes with it, they would never return to fruity.. theres too much difference in the progs to really go into it without going off on one (and i really cant be arsed), but i find the idea of fruity 'snobs' very funny indeed.

 

Well you know id love to learn logic but i need a new soundcard to start with for that dont i as we've already tried lol!! I just wana get peoples opinions etc on the sequencer because its somethin that a lot of people are very opinionated about and its always good to hear a new opinion on something!! Do you think the latest pc version of logic 5.whatever is good enough to stay with now itsgone/goin over to mac only from 6 upwards?

[Ian Cashman]

Do i think the latest pc version of logic 5.whatever is good enough to stay with now itsgone/goin over to mac only from 6 upwards? ?

 

for a couple of years, yes. which does me fine. im gonna go mac eventually. hopefully sooner rather than later, cos my main pc has packed up...lol. havent got any music done in ages.. my p3 600 just dont cut it...lol

[Claire DC]

Mod1 said:

Do i think the latest pc version of logic 5.whatever is good enough to stay with now itsgone/goin over to mac only from 6 upwards? ?

 

for a couple of years, yes. which does me fine. im gonna go mac eventually. hopefully sooner rather than later, cos my main pc has packed up...lol. havent got any music done in ages.. my p3 600 just dont cut it...lol

 

Lol.. well i guess that gives u a kick up the arse to get one sooner then!! I dont honestly know much about macs or their specs etc etc so i dont know how id cope with the change over.. what kinda time span u lookin at to replace then?

 

Lol.. ur blaming no music lately on ur pc.. or have u been shagging too much lately?!

[Scream]

Rob the only thing is pro tools comes into its own when used with hardware, by itself in my eyes doesn't hold a candle near logic. Like mod said the soft synths in logic just kick ass.

 

i've used a few progs but i've found logic just so easy to use once you get over the first barrier of how the major parts work.

[LiquidEyes]

Claire DC said:

I just wana get peoples opinions etc on the sequencer because its somethin that a lot of people are very opinionated about and its always good to hear a new opinion on something!!

Indeed.

 

Funny how most of the "opinionated" people sticking up for Fruity, have never used a "proper" sequencer like Logic or Cubase! (not in anger anyway)

 

Claire, the reason Cubase is expensive is because it is a much more complex product, and has been in development for many many years, by a big programming team. It's still a whole order of magnitude cheaper than the equivalent amount of hardware.