Childhood immunisation against drugs!!

[Lisa]

Childhood immunisation would provide adults with protection from the euphoria that is experienced by users, making drugs such as heroin and cocaine pointless to take.

 

The UK government announces plans to develop a nationwide anti-drug vaccination scheme of children similar to the current measles, mumps and rubella programmes. (Independent On Sunday)

 

whats your thoughts on this??

 

To me it sounds like something from the film Equillibrium or something from Orwell

 

 

 

 

[Guest Jay]

 

they will just invent new drugs.

 

end of.

[LiquidEyes]

I can kinda see the point with highly addictive, "hard" drugs like heroin; however "thin end of the wedge" springs to mind.

 

What next? Shall we make fatty food taste minging? Give people electric shocks when they put a fag to their mouths?

[BenRW]

immunisation in general is not safe

 

causes too many problems when given to kids that are too young

 

in japan they have prevented kids from getting any vaccines til they are 4 (i think, may have been 2) and they have practically eliminated cot death

 

i know several people who have been vaccine damaged and i even was aversely affected by them

 

 

 

and as for vaccinating against illegal drugs i don't think it would work all that well.

 

if done then people will still be able to get high off them, but just increased dosages meaning that the risk of ODIng is much higher

 

bad idea imo

[LiquidEyes]

QUOTE (Jay @ Aug 3 2004, 10:51)

they will just invent new drugs.

^ exactly. People will always get their 'buzz' one way or another.

 

A lot of people get onto heroin or whatever cos their life is fucked up. But (initially at least, till their hooked) turning to drugs is a symptom of their problems, not the problem itself. So if they don't turn to one drug, they'll turn to another.

 

1. You can't avoid the scenario where people get 'fucked up'.

2. You can't immunise people against every drug going.

[LiquidEyes]

QUOTE (benrostwood @ Aug 3 2004, 10:53)

immunisation in general is not safe

That's a bollocks statement. Obviously there will be some cases where people react badly to the vaccine, but the only sensible way to evaluate a vaccine is to compare "with" and "without".

 

Quite blatantly, our society is in a much better state now we have childhood vaccinations. Have you read anything about the sorts of diseases that were rampant 50, 100... years ago?

Edited August 3, 2004 by LiquidEyes

[Lisa]

I agree, we will always find loop holes, but I still dont agree with them even contemplating it

[BenRW]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Aug 3 2004, 11:01)

QUOTE (benrostwood @ Aug 3 2004, 10:53) immunisation in general is not safe That's a bollocks statement. Obviously there will be some cases where people react badly to the vaccine, but the only sensible way to evaluate a vaccine is to compare "with" and "without".   Quite blatantly, our society is in a much better state now we have childhood vaccinations. Have you read anything about the sorts of diseases that were rampant 50, 100... years ago? vaccines are very good, i know that, but there are much safer ways to immunise urself against diseases   they have eliminated against so many things   in general tho, what i was trying to say is that kids are vaccinated far too early a kids immune system isn't strong enough at the age of 6 months to deal with the vaccine as at that time the kid will be still receiving antibodies via the mothers milk and not making its own very well

[LiquidEyes]

Benrostwood, having said that, I do disagree with 'unnecessary' or 'risky' vaccinations. Vaccination against illegal drugs definitely falls into this category - you can't just 'catch' an addiction like you catch a disease!

 

IMHO the best weapon against addiction is INFORMATION. This might be a bit simplistic of me, but I find it hard to believe people would even try (for example) heroin, if they were well-informed about its effects and how addictive it was.

 

Plus, you need to have the support channels for people who have depression, mental problems etc.

 

Improving things in these areas would be a much better way to spend the money that would have been spent on pointless immunisations.

[Lisa]

Totally agree with Andy there

[LiquidEyes]

QUOTE (Lisa @ Aug 3 2004, 11:12)

Totally agree with Andy there

In that case I revoke my opinion.

[Lisa]

[BenRW]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Aug 3 2004, 11:11)

Benrostwood, having said that, I do disagree with 'unnecessary' or 'risky' vaccinations. Vaccination against illegal drugs definitely falls into this category - you can't just 'catch' an addiction like you catch a disease! IMHO the best weapon against addiction is INFORMATION. This might be a bit simplistic of me, but I find it hard to believe people would even try (for example) heroin, if they were well-informed about its effects and how addictive it was. Plus, you need to have the support channels for people who have depression, mental problems etc. Improving things in these areas would be a much better way to spend the money that would have been spent on pointless immunisations.

 

if some1 is going to try a drug, they're gonna try a drug. even if they're immune to the effects. and like i said in my first post they will still get high as the immune system takes days to come into full effect and even if taking constantly then the drug will still produce an effect

 

and also this vaccination just prevents the high, and not necessarily the addiction, or ability to take it and to stay in ur body

[LiquidEyes]

Yeah I'm cynical about the effectiveness of immunisation too.

 

But more to the point, what bothers me is (1) it doesn't seem to address the reasons why people get hooked on drugs in the first place; (2) it's yet another step on the ladder to a "nanny society".

[BenRW]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Aug 3 2004, 11:27)

Yeah I'm cynical about the effectiveness of immunisation too. But more to the point, what bothers me is (1) it doesn't seem to address the reasons why people get hooked on drugs in the first place; (2) it's yet another step on the ladder to a "nanny society".

i'm not doubting the effectiveness of vaccines but stating that the immune system does not come into effect straight away as it is controlled by hormones and not the nervous system (some parts are tho - release of the hormones for eg)

 

therefore some1 will be able to get off on the drug

 

rendering the whole point of this vaccine useless