Just to start a debate. Compared to Vestax, they are just not good enough. It was a great design 25 years ago when released, but they need to update it as they will get phased out in the next couple of years by competitors - i.e. Vestax, Stanton, Numark. Just look at MOS London, they got stanton, and home did have vestax. Any comments? I have used both and love my PDX-2000's.