Fox hunting ban - what are your views?

[Guest NeoN]

I'v heard of a pie over in USA called 'road kill pie' hope its what it sounds like

[Miss Minx]

THE LADS I USED TO WORK WITH USED TO CALL THERE BREKKIE SANDWICHES A ROADKILL SPECIAL IT WAS DOUBLE BACON DOUBLE SAUSAGE BLACK PUDDING BEANS TOMATO MUSHROOMS N FRIED EGG ON CRUSTY BREAD WAS FCKIN BEASTLY

[Guest NeoN]

Yuk - black pud

[BenRW]

THE MAIN FACT IS IT IS NATURE FOR ONE ANIMAL TO KILL ANOTHER ITS THE FOOD CHAIN AND IT WILL ALWAYS HAPPEN - THERE ARE OTHER ANIMALS IN THE WILD THAT WILL KILL AND EAT FOXES JUST AAS FOXES WILL KILL AND EAT SMALLER ANIMALS - ITS SURVIVAL! GRANTED THE HUNT IS A BIT DIFF AS PPL ARE SPECTATING BUT IT IS NO CRUELER THAN WHAT HAPPENS DAY IN DAY OUT IN THE WILD.

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only we dont eat the foxes..............

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yes, but humans aren't the actual hunters, they just go along for the ride

the dogs are the hunters, and once the fox has been checked that it doesn't have any nasty disease that can be transferred to the dogs, the dogs eat it, therefore it is part of the food chain in a way

 

 

 

 

some1 mentioned drag hunts, but they are unrealistic to occur at the same level as fox hunts tho: farmers let the fox hunt onto their land as it is doing them a favour - namely removing a pest. what is the drag hunt doing them a favour for - not a lot. this means that less farmers will be willing to allow it to happen meaning that it is not a viable alternative

 

 

and the vegetarian issue - i am vegetarian yet i can perfectly see fox hunting as a useful way to curb a pest

 

and as for other methods: there are a fair few - snares, poison, lamping, etc. but most will not only kill foxes, and lamping is not a particularly pleasant job:

sit out at night with a gun and torch (since its england it will probably be in the cold and wet). then wait til a fox comes along, shine a torch in its eyes and then shoot it

 

not a bad method. but would you really want to do it. fox hunting with dogs provides a much more enjoyable method of disposing with them

[Miss Minx]

BLACK PUD MINGS

 

 

[Tresh]

Just to be clear, shooting is not an effective way to kill foxes, unles you've got a sniper rifle with one hell of a telescopic sight on it.

 

You can't just walk up to a fox and shoot it, it's gonna run away. Admittedly shotguns could be used. However the shot spreads greatly very quickly, so you are most likely to only catch it with a few bits of lead, it'll limp away somewhere to die slowly of lead poisoning - and of course that's not cruel.

 

Snares are an option, but as already said - also cruel and barbaric.

 

Poison is not a viable option.

 

And further what do all you "animal rights" people think about the hounds. Guess what now we have a ban 1000's may have to put down. Is that justifiable to save a handful of foxes???

 

Moreover the foxes that are generally caught are the old and frail ones who can't get away and more often than not they are killed instantly by the dogs.

[Guest NeoN]

What about the 'painting' of the youngs first hunt . How wrong can you get ?

[Lisa]

Right I have not read all the replies since my elec got cut off grrrr, so jast a quick reply before reading, so If I contradict at all later it's cos ive replied now

 

Fox hunting is a sport, that people take pleasure from, farmers etc are providing us or the majority with food with which we need to have a stable diet & to survive, for me this is the difference.

 

I do not see farmers, chasing cattle & scaring them for the hell of it, donned in fancy red coats & tails etc

 

That is my thought on it & we are entitled to our opinions & mine is that fox hunting is not a sport & it should be stopped.

 

However if I thought for omne second that the meat I ate was in anyway on the same par as the fox hunting I may reconsider eating it, end of the day it is not though!! Animals are killed humanely for it & as Dom points out they know nothing else so no harm done.

[Lisa]

but these are not realistic options. the farmers do not have the time to go and sit out and wait for the foxes to shoot them, and not only are fast acting poisons expensive but other "innocent" animals may consume them.

 

and lisa i think you missed the point i was making about meat production. i know we all have the choice and im very careful about the meat etc i eat - but the point i was trying to make was that these people, the "animal rights" protestors should be directing their energies to banning battery farming etc which is far cruelier than fox hunting.

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Right first reply to emma haha!! Ok maybe realistically the farmers do not have time, well does it make it right to creat a sport for others pleasure, to keep the foxes numbers down?? No I do not think so, why not make jobs out of this for people to actually keep the fox numbers down, in a humane way

 

Secondly meat production etc I think you will find protestors do get up in arms etc, but again I do not always agree with these people, I am not a protestor but I do feel fox hunting is a cruel sport & the *it keeps fox numbers down* is a lame arse excuse to keep it going!!

[Lisa]

im sorry but please dont talk about things if you dont know the facts.

 

just because an animal is born into an environment doesnt make it normal for them. animals have natural instincts meaning there are some behaviours they are compelled to do, and these environments prevent them from performing these behaviours. E.g. chickens are compelled to "peck" at things, and in these battery farming environments are unable to perform this natural behaviour and so peck at other things, i.e. themselves and others in the cage causing horrific injuries.

 

also, is it natural to keep them in a cage that is so small they can hardly move and packed in with about 5 other chickens, often with atleast one of them dead on the floor.

 

 

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Bit like london zoo too, yet we still take our children, nephew & nieces!!

 

 

 

[Lisa]

so is fox hunting still cruelier than battery farming and other methods of killing foxes? or are you just talking about something you know nothing about?

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fox hunting is still crueler, although both are not nice the hunting by far out weighs the chickens IMO

[Miss Minx]

if you have ever seen a battery farm u will see how diff it is from a zoo

[Lisa]

Right so from ok poisoning & shooting are not really a good option say & all we have left is the dog catching them, maybe if it wasn't made into such a how shall I term it *toff, nosed, redtails & whatever sport* then maybe it would not seem as barbaric, but to see these people on horse back all done up to the nines, making a deal & a song & dance & clearly taking pleasure in it doesnt go down too well.

 

That I think is what makes it so sickening, well for me anyway

[Miss Minx]

A life of confinement

 

Jane Howorth has become a campaigner for chicken welfare

Twenty-four million chickens are currently battery farmed in Britain ensuring the low prices of eggs and chicken products.

 

In small cages not large enough to turn around, thousands of chickens endure the monotony of life spent eating and laying.

 

Once past their laying prime - the abattoir awaits.

 

Whilst it is easy to lay the blame with the farmers, Jane insists that they 'are only supplying a demand for cheap eggs'.

 

"At one end it's the politicians who regulate the system," explains Jane. "At the other end of the scale, it's actually the consumer who purchases the products."

 

Jane always works with the full co-operation of the farmer and in her latest rescue it is the farmer's retirement that paves the chickens' way to freedom.

 

Chooks away!

 

These 17-month-old chickens have spent over a year in their cages

Whilst the chickens' escape may not be as dramatic as their feathered counterparts in the animated film Chicken Run (no catapults to be found here), the result is every bit as satisfying.

 

"I have a tremendous sense of relief that I'm taking them out," enthuses Jane.

 

"All it does is remind me why I do what I do."

 

For the 1,600 hens, this is their first taste of the outdoors - not surprisingly, open space is a little daunting for them.

 

Most have forgotten how to walk and need a helping hand from Jane.

 

Mobility is further limited by their long nails.

 

Living on wire mesh flooring, there is no solid surface to naturally grind the chickens' nails down. For some hens, their nails are so long, their feet are distorted, so one of Jane's first jobs is nail clipping.

 

Sick hens are taken to Jane's make-shift hospital wing for some much needed care and attention.

 

THATS A BBC ARTICE - THAT JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW CONSUMER MEAT N EGGS ARE PRODUCED AND HOW CRUEL IT IS - I STILL STICK TO MY POINT THAT ANYONE WHO CAN LET THAT KIND OF THING GO ON BUT CONDEMN A FOX HUNT IS WRONG!

[Lisa]

if you have ever seen a battery farm u will see how diff it is from a zoo

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hon I have & I do know the difference but end of the day it is animals kept in enviroments that they shouldnt be kept in, irrelevant of size etc, it is all wrong....