Ecstacy

[Louise]

QUOTE (RickD @ Mar 16 2004, 19:21)

QUOTE (Dawn @ Mar 16 2004, 19:13) And the main contraceptive pill in the 60's ... thalidomide Funnily enough, this is making a come-back as for use against cancers of the blood and maybe even other forms of cancer... And the only thing is, you shouldn't get pregnant while using it... i always thought thalidomide was the anti-sickness pills for morning sickness when pregnant   you learn something new every day

[LiquidEyes]

QUOTE (miss_diddy @ Mar 16 2004, 19:10)

long term affect applies to most drugs, illegal or otherwise, look at the mini pill, for years, loads of women were subscribed it, ment to be the best contraceptive etc, but a few years ago, it was retracted, because it was causing alsorts of problems & strokes, so it can be said for most chemicals.

And your point is...? "You might as well take pills, because legal drugs fuck you up too?"

 

The whole point about the mini-pill is that it was retracted! Most legal drugs aren't!

[Dawn]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Mar 16 2004, 19:21)

And more to the point, you only take OTC drugs if you have to - not recreationally!

Not quite true ... I know a few people who have got addicted to several things bought from the chemist.

 

 

[Guest RickD]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Mar 16 2004, 19:21)

Over-the-counter drugs don't usually cause such severe effects such as memory loss, and fucking with your serotonin levels. And those are just the known effects of ecstasy. And more to the point, you only take OTC drugs if you have to - not recreationally! Peanuts can be killers but not in the general case. The greater concern is, for example, that perhaps in another decade or so we will have a generation of people with completely fucked short-term-memories, or depression, due to regular intake of pills. I'm not pro or against drugs - but I think it's a bit short-sighted to be completely passive about it. "It'll be alright in moderation." Nobody knows!!

Peanuts aren't ok in moderation for someone with an alergy to them though...

 

As for OTC drugs, no-one knows the long-term effect of most of them either, mainly due to them not being around for long enough to gauge the effect...

 

If you want to live in a nanny state, then don't worry, you already are... If you don't take risks in life though, you don't get any rewards... Either way, it's your choice, no-one else's...

[Louise]

QUOTE (Dawn @ Mar 16 2004, 19:32)

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Mar 16 2004, 19:21) And more to the point, you only take OTC drugs if you have to - not recreationally! Not quite true ... I know a few people who have got addicted to several things bought from the chemist. iv recently found out that over in america there is a cough mixture craze going on and its started over here aswel   i think its called 'syruping' (or summat like that), dont know why there addicted to it and what effects it does though

[Guest RickD]

QUOTE (Louise @ Mar 16 2004, 19:24)

QUOTE (RickD @ Mar 16 2004, 19:21) QUOTE (Dawn @ Mar 16 2004, 19:13) And the main contraceptive pill in the 60's ... thalidomide Funnily enough, this is making a come-back as for use against cancers of the blood and maybe even other forms of cancer... And the only thing is, you shouldn't get pregnant while using it... i always thought thalidomide was the anti-sickness pills for morning sickness when pregnant   you learn something new every day Yeah, you could use it for morning sickness, but fuck havinbg the baby afterwards...   It's 'safe' as long as you're not pregnant and has helped quite a few people live a hell of a lot longer than they would have without it... It's not a cure, but seems to be a signal blocker for cancer therepy...

[Lisa]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Mar 16 2004, 19:24)

QUOTE (miss_diddy @ Mar 16 2004, 19:10) long term affect applies to most drugs, illegal or otherwise, look at the mini pill, for years, loads of women were subscribed it, ment to be the best contraceptive etc, but a few years ago, it was retracted, because it was causing alsorts of problems & strokes, so it can be said for most chemicals. And your point is...? "You might as well take pills, because legal drugs fuck you up too?"   The whole point about the mini-pill is that it was retracted! Most legal drugs aren't! well, im not actually saying you may as well, where have I stated that eh???   All I was merely pointing out is that, some over the counter medicinces can have long term affects that we are not aware of, true!!   & im sure most peeps that regularly take ecstacy are fully aware that long term effects could be bad, but it is a choice they choose to make

[Phil rr]

QUOTE (Shenlong @ Mar 16 2004, 18:26)

not really phil, seeing as the effects/dangers of knives and forks are obvious. the long term consequences of doing pills are not. that much would ahev been obvious if you had read any of this thread properly. the length of time people ahve been doing them and in the quantities they do them nowadays is relatively speaking, nto long at all to find out any long term consequences.

sure mate i understand ya, basically...what it boils down to...is...

 

nobody knows what effect many drugs may have on you, in the long term.

[russelldust]

There are so many things in the current world that have not been remotely tested for their longer term effects:

 

mobile phones

laser eye treatment

the Atkins diet

 

and only now are the real facts about the impact of electricity pylons on cancer and miscarriages becoming available. So if this is your argument for not doing pills then you would have to opt out of much of modern life (but if it's because of the impact they have on you as an individual then that's your decision).

 

Quite frankly I wouldn't trust the authorities with any information they came out with as there is usually an agenda so I'd be sceptical of any surveys that came out anyway. Anecdotally, society hardly appears to be being destroyed by the number of people caning it on the weekend.

 

Depression is part of modern life and I don't doubt that it is made worse by pills, but there is a big difference between taking them every weekend and caning 15+ in all weekend session than taking them every now and again when you go for a big weekend.

 

Far more worrying is the fact that people seem to think nothing of mixing a cocktail of drugs in a session (pills, c, k, dope, booze etc)...

 

It's a good debate though Jay.

Edited March 21, 2004 by russelldust

[LiquidEyes]

QUOTE (RickD @ Mar 16 2004, 19:32)

If you want to live in a nanny state, then don't worry, you already are... If you don't take risks in life though, you don't get any rewards... Either way, it's your choice, no-one else's...

^ Agreed.

 

QUOTE (Miss Diddy @ Mar 16 2004, 20:21)

im sure most peeps that regularly take ecstacy are fully aware that long term effects could be bad, but it is a choice they choose to make

^ Agreed.

 

Like I said, I'm not pro or against. I'm pro-choice, and pro-"quality of information". And I hate the idea of being told what I can and can't do, when clearly it doesn't affect anyone but myself. The only think I object to is flippant comments like "it is okay in moderation", which blatantly is not known for a fact. And yes, I agree that there are lots of other things with associated risks.

[Lisa]

Im with you on that LE, about the moderation etc, but TBH I think a majority use the term, used in moderation, in case of when they go out, they know their limit, where as some peeps, youngsters, do not & go overboard & before you know it, they are a complete mess, in hospital or dead, worse case situation..

[Louise]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Mar 19 2004, 09:12)

Like I said, I'm not pro or against. I'm pro-choice, and pro-"quality of information". And I hate the idea of being told what I can and can't do, when clearly it doesn't affect anyone but myself. The only think I object to is flippant comments like "it is okay in moderation", which blatantly is not known for a fact. And yes, I agree that there are lots of other things with associated risks.

does it only effect yourself though?

 

i comment on your life but i know when in the 4 years i was doing them it effected most people around me, illness, my immune system had practically packed up so i was always ill till midweek, severe mood swings, lethargicness, insomnia, general feeling of being low etc.........

 

and while im feeling like that i cant be a good parent, daughter, partner, friend and even employee (not that i give a toss about work )

 

but everyone to there own, as long as someone else's "useage" doesnt effect mine or people close to me lifes, than its there own choice to make, im sure your all old enough and ugly enough to look after yourselfs

Edited March 19, 2004 by Louise

[Phil rr]

QUOTE (russelldust @ Mar 18 2004, 22:09)

There are so many things in the current world that have not been remotely tested for their longer term effects: mobile phones laser eye treatment the Atkins diet and only now are the real facts about the impact of electricity pylons on cancer and miscarriages becoming available. So if this is your argument for not doing pills then you would have to opt out of much of modern life (but if it's because of the impact they have on you as an individual then that's your decision). Quite frankly I wouldn't trust the authorities with any information they came out with as there is usually an agenda so I'd be sceptical of any surveys that came out anyway. Anecdotally, society hardly appears to be being destroyed by the number of people caning it on the weekend. Depression is part of modern life and I don't doubt that it is made worse by pills, but there is a big difference between taking them every weekend and caning 15+ in all weekend session than taking them every now and again when you go for a big weekend. Far more worrying is the fact that people seem to think nothing of mixing a cocktail of drugs in a session (pills, c, k, dope, booze etc)... It's a good decate though Jay.