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[Alex]

A little moderation goes a long way. Too much and it spoils the mix.

 

It's an utterly thankless task moderating.

 

What is clubbing without kids and their drugs?

[Guest]

QUOTE (Ian Cashman @ Apr 26 2004, 12:55)

double standards here too. seems ok for girls to rip into tidy bitch for no real reason but when me and Kether take the piss out of Rostwood we get warnings!

FYI - I was warned.

 

What makes you think I wasn't ?

 

:s :s

[Tresh]

QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 12:59)

Have you ever stopped and thought that sometimes, James may be too EMBARASSED to show people i.e work collegues / family, this site (im saying IF we didn't have rules / mods) hen all people talk about is drugs / slatings etc and the like ? If people started posting crap like continuous drug talk / banter, slatings etc (as it were before) I am sure most would be PM'in James all the time asking to delete this, deleted that, tell so and so off. Im sure that is the reason there are mods on this board. I don't have a problem with it. Also, twats signing up hiding behind a fake name and posting shit about certain memebrs isn't on. Therefore, Moderators are a good thing to have. TO BE HONEST, I am not arsed if Members decide to 'pack up and go' because it is soley their own choice an not forced by anyone. People are not forced to join and forced to post. I am all for having rules and moderation on this board. YOu would all start winging if there wasn't.

I can't believe you have just tried to justify having moderation so that James can show the site to his family!! Yes, he should be proud of it, yes he should show it to people, but not at the cost of preventing people from saying what they want. If so then, the board is only run on James' whim and not then moderated fairly. As people have pointed out previously, moderation seems to be used inconsistently, arbitrarily and undoubtedly with favourtism and the rules are interpreted by the mods in a host of ways - especially when they are "out to get someone."

 

As unfortunate as it may be, clubbing and drugs are inextricably linked, and fair enough perhaps people used to talk too much about thhem, but it's there prerogative, and should be their choice to make. Saying you can't talk about drugs is tantamount to banning discussion on clubbing in general. What if someone said you can talk about football, but prevented you from talking about the teams. It wouldn't work would it?!?!

 

I'm not arguing for zero moderation, but for it to be used where necessary, in other words not every single second of every single day.

 

TO BE HONEST with you Maria, you should be bothered if members "pack up and leave" cos without members there is no CTW, think about that.

 

And we'd all start whinging if there was no moderation?????? - What are we doing now then?????????

[Guest]

QUOTE (Tresh @ Apr 26 2004, 13:12)

QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 12:59) Have you ever stopped and thought that sometimes, James may be too EMBARASSED to show people i.e work collegues / family, this site  (im saying IF we didn't have rules / mods) hen all people talk about is drugs / slatings etc and the like ? If people started posting crap like continuous drug talk / banter, slatings etc (as it were before) I am sure most would be PM'in James all the time asking to delete this, deleted that, tell so and so off.  Im sure that is the reason there are mods on this board.  I don't have a problem with it. Also, twats signing up hiding behind a fake name and posting shit about certain memebrs isn't on.  Therefore, Moderators are a good thing to have. TO BE HONEST, I am not arsed if Members decide to 'pack up and go' because it is soley their own choice an not forced by anyone.  People are not forced to join and forced to post. I am all for having rules and moderation on this board. YOu would all start winging if there wasn't. I can't believe you have just tried to justify having moderation so that James can show the site to his family!! Yes, he should be proud of it, yes he should show it to people, but not at the cost of preventing people from saying what they want. If so then, the board is only run on James' whim and not then moderated fairly. As people have pointed out previously, moderation seems to be used inconsistently, arbitrarily and undoubtedly with favourtism and the rules are interpreted by the mods in a host of ways - especially when they are "out to get someone."   As unfortunate as it may be, clubbing and drugs are inextricably linked, and fair enough perhaps people used to talk too much about thhem, but it's there prerogative, and should be their choice to make. Saying you can't talk about drugs is tantamount to banning discussion on clubbing in general. What if someone said you can talk about football, but prevented you from talking about the teams. It wouldn't work would it?!?!   I'm not arguing for zero moderation, but for it to be used where necessary, in other words not every single second of every single day.   TO BE HONEST with you Maria, you should be bothered if members "pack up and leave" cos without members there is no CTW, think about that.   And we'd all start whinging if there was no moderation?????? - What are we doing now then????????? Hang on Tresh, you and others are always winging that this site isnt this or that or up to your NEEDS.   Yes the Members make this board what it is - in fact. other message boards are all controlled by members.   I am NOT arsed if people go. As I said, it is theuir own choice. Would you prefer us to get down on our knees and beg them to stay ? Youi CAN'T make anyone do ANYTHING.   If you have a problem with ClubTheWorld - then do something that will make that problem go away and stop bothering you.

[Alex]

Wouldn't Tresh and others mentioning the moderation and how it is effecting people's and their views of CTW be a way of tackling a perceived problem?

[Guest]

QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 26 2004, 13:22)

Wouldn't Tresh and others mentioning the moderation and how it is effecting people's and their views of CTW be a way of tackling a perceived problem?

I don't understand - surely what you are saying is - that the rules that are on the forum - everyone wants to go AGAINST them and do the opposite of what the rules say ?

 

[Alex]

QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 13:24)

QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 26 2004, 13:22) Wouldn't Tresh and others mentioning the moderation and how it is effecting people's and their views of CTW be a way of tackling a perceived problem? I don't understand - surely what you are saying is - that the rules that are on the forum - everyone wants to go AGAINST them and do the opposite of what the rules say ?   Not at all. If people perceive a there to be a problem with overzelous moderating, surely mentioning it would be a way to communicate a problem in an attempt to find a resolve.

[Tresh]

I never said anything about it being up to my needs, I have no needs in that sense. I'm talking about making it a more enjoyable experience for those who frequent these parts. Doesn't the fact that so many people are complaing give you a hint? You seem to be the only person defending your position. I'm not suggesting you beg people to stay, but when they're all up in arms over it then I expect you to do something so that they will stay. As I say, no members means no board and that's the way we're heading.

 

Seems to me that the attitude with CTW management today is "We're gonna rule with an iron fist, don't try to get in our way cos we're bigger than you and we'll win." That hasn't worked at anytime in history, Hitler, Stalin and more all failed and you will to.

 

We used to have over 2000 members, we now have around 400 of which only 50 could be said to post regularly, so of course the board is gonna get stale and stagnate. You may be very happy with the way CTW is progressing - you like going backwards do ya?

 

Don't try to palm me off by telling me to go change what I like. I can't and you know that full well. How about recognising what people want and reacting to it - that's what makes good leaders and managers, not just going off on some deluded power trip.

[Guest]

QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 26 2004, 13:27)

QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 13:24) QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 26 2004, 13:22) Wouldn't Tresh and others mentioning the moderation and how it is effecting people's and their views of CTW be a way of tackling a perceived problem? I don't understand - surely what you are saying is - that the rules that are on the forum - everyone wants to go AGAINST them and do the opposite of what the rules say ?   Not at all. If people perceive a there to be a problem with overzelous moderating, surely mentioning it would be a way to communicate a problem in an attempt to find a resolve. I agree with what you are saying - but exactly what is the problem with Moderation ?   I am quite sure that James said to me a while back that he wants this board to be unique and different (fair play ) and not fuled with drug talk and the like.

[Guest]

QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 13:29)

QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 26 2004, 13:27) QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 13:24) QUOTE (Alex @ Apr 26 2004, 13:22) Wouldn't Tresh and others mentioning the moderation and how it is effecting people's and their views of CTW be a way of tackling a perceived problem? I don't understand - surely what you are saying is - that the rules that are on the forum - everyone wants to go AGAINST them and do the opposite of what the rules say ?   Not at all. If people perceive a there to be a problem with overzelous moderating, surely mentioning it would be a way to communicate a problem in an attempt to find a resolve. I agree with what you are saying - but exactly what is the problem with Moderation ?   I am quite sure that James said to me a while back that he wants this board to be unique and different (fair play ) and not fuled with drug talk and the like. Hence having mods and rules.

[Guest]

QUOTE (Tresh @ Apr 26 2004, 13:28)

I never said anything about it being up to my needs, I have no needs in that sense. I'm talking about making it a more enjoyable experience for those who frequent these parts. Doesn't the fact that so many people are complaing give you a hint? You seem to be the only person defending your position. I'm not suggesting you beg people to stay, but when they're all up in arms over it then I expect you to do something so that they will stay. As I say, no members means no board and that's the way we're heading. Seems to me that the attitude with CTW management today is "We're gonna rule with an iron fist, don't try to get in our way cos we're bigger than you and we'll win." That hasn't worked at anytime in history, Hitler, Stalin and more all failed and you will to. We used to have over 2000 members, we now have around 400 of which only 50 could be said to post regularly, so of course the board is gonna get stale and stagnate. You may be very happy with the way CTW is progressing - you like going backwards do ya? Don't try to palm me off by telling me to go change what I like. I can't and you know that full well. How about recognising what people want and reacting to it - that's what makes good leaders and managers, not just going off on some deluded power trip.

TBH Tresh - alot of peoples problems on this board, as to why certain people don't post as much, is because they have a problem with other Members which therfore makes them 'put off' from posting.

 

And as far as I am aware, these Members have not said anything about the Moderation set up on this board.

[Alex]

QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 13:29)

I agree with what you are saying - but exactly what is the problem with Moderation ?

I haven't got a problem with it, although it does come across as a little overzealous at times (a little too officious), but other than that I have no complaints.

[Guest Shenlong]

some people agree about the ban on drugs talk, some don't, but what most people agree on is that although moderation is a good thing, it's been too heavily moderated of late.

 

no one is saying get to your hands and knees and beg people to stay but taking it to the other extreme is your attitude then that if people don't like things exactly as they are then they should just go fuck off?

 

and the moderating has seem a tad biased at times, like i said before, an example of. sorry to pick on it again but it's the only one that springs to mind quickly... the post about mushroom gathering that ginge made, him and kether and someone else were arguing/trading insults, that got deleted.

the ones with tidy bitch where it has been a one sided slagging off of her have stayed.

 

if people didn't care about the everything then people wouldn't mention nay concerns, would ti be better if people all just dissapeared one by one as seems to have been happening of late?

[Guest]

QUOTE (Tresh @ Apr 26 2004, 13:28)

I never said anything about it being up to my needs, I have no needs in that sense. I'm talking about making it a more enjoyable experience for those who frequent these parts. Doesn't the fact that so many people are complaing give you a hint? You seem to be the only person defending your position. I'm not suggesting you beg people to stay, but when they're all up in arms over it then I expect you to do something so that they will stay. As I say, no members means no board and that's the way we're heading. Seems to me that the attitude with CTW management today is "We're gonna rule with an iron fist, don't try to get in our way cos we're bigger than you and we'll win." That hasn't worked at anytime in history, Hitler, Stalin and more all failed and you will to. We used to have over 2000 members, we now have around 400 of which only 50 could be said to post regularly, so of course the board is gonna get stale and stagnate. You may be very happy with the way CTW is progressing - you like going backwards do ya? Don't try to palm me off by telling me to go change what I like. I can't and you know that full well. How about recognising what people want and reacting to it - that's what makes good leaders and managers, not just going off on some deluded power trip.

Don't get a bad attitude towards me, Tresh. I am simply having a debate with you all (as you do in this forum), not defending, or arguing.

 

And what do you mean "I wont win" :s I don't quite understand that statement.

 

 

I am not trying to 'palm you off' with anything mate.

 

If you CAN'T accept MY OPINION like I do yours, then ...

 

mwa

[Tresh]

QUOTE (Maria @ Apr 26 2004, 13:32)

TBH Tresh - alot of peoples problems on this board, as to why certain people don't post as much, is because they have a problem with other Members which therfore makes them 'put off' from posting. And as far as I am aware, these Members have not said anything about the Moderation set up on this board.

Evidently they ain't gonna complain about, if they ain't on here enough to be "moderated" themselves.

 

My point is Maria, that there are enough people complaining for the mods and admin to react and look at the situation themselves, as that is their job.

 

Maybe the rules are wrong, maybe they are applied to harsly, maybe the mods aren't doing a good job. There's just a few things for you to look at. Don't tell us that the moderation is there come hell or high water because people won't accept that. You have to listen to what people want as well as yourselves.