wildchild WILDCHILD - BLEEDIN BUNCH OF BABIES - BOO HOO

[Fenian]

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I know that ClubTheWorld are also involved with Wildchild but only hope the same actions would not be taken here.

Basically what happened was that a review was done on the last event which wasn't all positive. The review was very objective and did highlight some favourable points. However Reece Elliot did not like what he saw and made Tom Allen remove it from the website. Failure to do so would have jeopardized any further involvement by HF with Wildchild future events.

This action is despicable and I ask you to join forces on questioning Reech why he has resorted to such tactics.

[Guyster]

Hello Fenian,

I've read your post on Harderfaster as well. I work on the promotional team for Wildchild and am a resident with them as well. I've been there since pretty much the beginning, so I know Reece well and all that are involved.

I'm sorry to hear you're this p1ssed off.

I appreciate, in terms of reviews and websites (as I write reviews for another clubbing website) that sometimes you're not going to enjoy the night as much as others. Nobody's perfect, but the reaction we got from the last night was really positive on many points, esp from the room hosted by yourselves and CTW. It was rammed all night there and hopefully it'll be the same at the next one.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but surely you'd have to agree that putting up a negative (or negative in places) review of a night that you're helping to promote isn't the best idea. I'm all for freedom of speech but it puts the website and us in a difficult position. We're open to all constructive criticism, and while you can put anything you like (as you clearly have) on the message boards, it's not the same with a review in this instance. If you've got some gripes, feel free to drop me an email at guy@4clubbers.net, we're all for taking it on board, after all, if we're made up purely of clubbers, so you're the people we should be listening to most.

I'll give Reece a call as well so I can ask his side of the story.

[FredTheBaddie]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but surely you'd have to agree that putting up a negative (or negative in places) review of a night that you're helping to promote isn't the best idea.

We're open to all constructive criticism, and while you can put anything you like (as you clearly have) on the message boards, it's not the same with a review in this instance.

So are you saying that if you're promoting a night you can't write an objective review for it ?

If that's the case, it's not a review, it's an ad !

[Guyster]

No, I'm not saying we write an "all sweetness and light" piece of arse kissing rubbish, not at all.... but you know what the industry's like. You can't shoot yourself in the foot either...

 

have a read of the thread on HF.... still going strong...

[SarahPVC]

Ive just read the report on harderfaster as well

 

Guyster - thought you have done a brilliant job to pacify an awkward situation - theres always going to be 2 sides to the arguement.

 

I had a fantastic time at Wildchild and cant wait for the next one - the HF/CTW room was rammed & had the best atmosphere ever but thats my personal opinion. There is always going to be people that didnt enjoy it.

I have to agree with guyster in that when we are involved with the promotion like with Wildchild it isnt in our best interests to say / write anything negative especially for future events

[Guyster]

As I wasn't party to the original part where the review went up and then got taken off I don't know the ins and outs of it. But what I do hate is all the slanging that goes on afterwards in cases like this.

 

Whether it was right or wrong, I had to intervene just to stop everyone having a go at each other. It's the best of a sh1te situation to be fair. I hope it can all be smoothed out and we're no worse off in the long run, either us OR HF. Fingers crossed.

 

It's things like this that make me despair in the industry, for many reasons.

[SarahPVC]

Do we have Reece's feedback on the subject yet?

[Fenian]

Sarah

I do believe you miss the point. The issue at hand is not whether you had a bad night or not. Loads of people had a good night and am sure I will at the next one.

The point is that Wildchild had requested a review to be taken down because they are involved with HF. Other promoters are not able to do that.

HF started off as London's Leading Hard Dance Guide to give fair and constructive reviews on dance events in London. The review given was NOT entirely negative. It mentioned a lot of good points but did highlight any negative aspects of the night. These should have been addressed by the promoter on the site itself and not taken down. HF is entering a time now where it has to decide whether it is a self promotion site or a honest hard dance review site.

I support Guysters effort to address the situation which is what should have been done in the first place.

I have been a member of the site for a while and have always supported Tom in a number of ways. But I can not support the decision to remove a review other members have put up, unless of course it is without foundation. Tom had read the review before it had been put up and allowed it.

[Guyster]

Do we have Reece's feedback on the subject yet?

 

should have today. I spoke to him yda'y about it and he's keen to answer some questions, but, as you can guess, it's a tad delicate.

[Guyster]

Sarah

 

I do believe you miss the point. The issue at hand is not whether you had a bad night or not. Loads of people had a good night and am sure I will at the next one.

 

The point is that Wildchild had requested a review to be taken down because they are involved with HF. Other promoters are not able to do that.

 

HF started off as London's Leading Hard Dance Guide to give fair and constructive reviews on dance events in London. The review given was NOT entirely negative. It mentioned a lot of good points but did highlight any negative aspects of the night. These should have been addressed by the promoter on the site itself and not taken down. HF is entering a time now where it has to decide whether it is a self promotion site or a honest hard dance review site.

 

I support Guysters effort to address the situation which is what should have been done in the first place.

 

I have been a member of the site for a while and have always supported Tom in a number of ways. But I can not support the decision to remove a review other members have put up, unless of course it is without foundation. Tom had read the review before it had been put up and allowed it.

 

 

I can see your point mate, totally. All I'm saying is that, whatever happened has happened. We're not going to be able to change that however much we wish we could. All I'm trying to do is diffuse the situation and stop the finger-pointing going on for the next few weeks.

 

After all, we're all involved in putting a huge night on in just over 4 weeks. I for one want to make sure this is the best party yet.

[SarahPVC]

I do believe you miss the point. The issue at hand is not whether you had a bad night or not. Loads of people had a good night and am sure I will at the next one

 

I dont think i am missing the point at all - i totally understand your point. I was just making a reference to the fact that i personally had a good night & it therefore reflected in my review - after all reviews are subjective and have to be influenced to some degree about whether the reviewer enjoyed the night or not.

 

[Blink]

I always wonder when people say reviews are subjective, I think reviewers should try to remain objective a review isn't about whether you had a good night, it is about whether the night was good.

You can be objective about what order the DJ's played in, whether there mixing and song selection was any good (it doesn't matter whether it picked you up or not, were the majority of the crowd into it). You can also be objective about the venue, decor, staff, sound system.

PaSSion wasn't really my cup of tea, but I think I could write a fairly objective review of it, and then you make it obvious what the subjective bits are (I thought at PaSSion, there were too many breakdowns, but then again, it is a trance club, and if that is your cup of tea, you will love it).

As for the review on HF, and its pulling, I don't think you can publish a review which is critical about a night you hosted, run it along with promotional stuff you are doing for the next night, and then expect to attract in promoters who your site has criticised.

"Hi, come to Trim weekender IV, here is a snippet from OUR review of the last night we did

....Trim weekender III was dull, the promoters put in no effort, and Mandy Furley could not mix...

We regret to announce that Mandy Furley has withdrawn from Trim IV, but we hope to secure another top DJ soon"

Doesn't work, does it?

[Guyster]

Blink....

 

That was kind of the point I was trying to make. As I said if HF hadn't been associated with Wildchild then they're free to say what they like, but effectively they're putting up a review that was less than kind in places to thier own night..... just don't get it. Surely we're all working for the same goal??

[Beckie in La La Land]

As for the review on HF, and its pulling, I don't think you can publish a review which is critical about a night you hosted, run it along with promotional stuff you are doing for the next night, and then expect to attract in promoters who your site has criticised.

 

this is my opinion totally!! you cant do it!

[James]

Personally I've always enjoyed EVERY clubbing night out I've ever been on, and I always focus on the best parts of the night and seem to instantly forget any negative points. This is one reason I gave up writing reviews on here because people kept telling me that I was always saying "it was spot on", "superb", "quality", "amazing" etc.. etc.. - but the fact is all the nights HAVE been fooking quality and when I compare them to the shite nights I used to have with my old mates in other genre clubs there is no competition - maybe I'm just lucky to have experienced shite clubs in the past so I can really appreciate all the good clubs now. I also only ever go to good clubs it would seem - finding it very hard to find a shite club. I personally think reviews are a little silly sometimes as they are a very PERSONAL thing - usually influenced by the mood the person is in that night or the 'crowd' which is out. To do a proper review I think you need 5 different types of clubbers all giving their own opinion and over time people could relate to one or two of them to make a proper informed decision as to whether a night is really worth going to or not.

Because I was in an extremely good mood and all my mates were there, and I got to see a couple of our own DJs and also meet the likes of @Guyster, and then also see some of my faiv leading DJs I personally thought WiLDCHiLD was the best night I've had in London yet. I've only received good comments from people too - and all wanting to know when the next one is which none of us can wait for. This isnt arse-licking either, this is my own opinion - I couldn't fault it. I also thought it was run more professionally than most club nights I've been to.