14 yr old secret abortion!!

[Ian Cashman]

QUOTE (Kether @ May 14 2004, 16:42)

Won't somebody please think of the children?

hehe

 

The Late Great Bill Hicks...

[LiquidEyes]

QUOTE (Alex @ May 14 2004, 16:07)

It's both dude.  The parents are still to blame, for their genes and parenting skills.

I don't see the issue as being as "black and white" as that.

 

Legal guidelines aside (seeing as, if the school has done anything wrong, no doubt they'll get in trouble for it anyway): do you seriously think a child magically goes from a state of "no responsibility for their own actions" to "full responsibility for their own actions" when they turn 16?

 

I'm with Dawn & Kether on this one. The way you turn out is a complex function of:

1. your parenting

2. your peers

3. society, media etc.

4. your genes

 

How can it be just the parents' fault? Perfectly good & well-intentioned parents can have tearaway kids, and complete wasters of parents can have perfectly well behaved kids. Maybe not likely, but the law of averages says that every now and then it will happen.

 

Blaming the parents squarely is bollocks. E.g. I reckon I was brought up to be about as un-peer-pressurable as anybody could be. I honestly reckon my parents couldn't have instilled a much better sense of maturity than they did (in terms of "don't do stuff just because everyone else is"). But, inevitably, when they weren't around, I still did stupid shit just cos my mates were doing it. I take responsibility for my own actions, it had fuck all to do with my parents. Parents just have to do their best and hope for a "bit of luck" really.

 

If I did stupid stuff as a teenager, you could say it was my mates' faults for roping me into it. And in turn, it's their parents' faults for bringing up their kids that way. And it's my parents' fault for letting me hang around with kids who, on the surface, were really nice well-behaved kids (like me) but beneath that facade, were quite partial to doing stupid stuff.

 

Your teenaged urges are potentially stronger than ANYTHING that it is possible to drum into you. Your body is completely fucked up with hormonal imbalances, you're emotional insecure, you have a desperate need for peer acceptance etc etc... It's the best that parents and schools can do to just "guide you in the right direction".

 

I probably would have had sex at 14 if any girls had been up for it...

 

I wonder how many people on this website, having had it drummed into them as a child that drugs are BAD by both parents and school, have nonetheless gone on to take drugs? Do you honestly blame your parents for that?

[snowqueen]

QUOTE (Alex @ May 14 2004, 16:07)

QUOTE (Scream @ May 14 2004, 16:05) i'm sensing this post is heading towards the nature and nurture debate. It's both dude. The parents are still to blame, for their genes and parenting skills. I agree with you with this...my daughter is 11 soon to be 12 and we talk about it quite alot, my daughters view is that she is going to have fun ;ie clubbing and have a life before she even thinks about having a child, especially her being a child now, also my mum never spoke to me about sex education and i had gemma when i turned 18.....Lack of communication is to blame between the parents and the school, i dont know much about the sex education at school as i have not been informed...as for my sex education at school was very poor.   Its about time us parents put a stop to teenage pregnancy, i know we cant stop it personnally, but with us communicating to our children, including the school, then i think we could help this.

Edited May 15, 2004 by snowqueen

[Alex]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ May 14 2004, 20:16)

QUOTE (Alex @ May 14 2004, 16:07) It's both dude.  The parents are still to blame, for their genes and parenting skills. I don't see the issue as being as "black and white" as that. I was on about the "nature or nurture" argument. I was saying it's not one or the other, but a combination of the two e.g. not black or white.   As for the way a child acts, they inherited the genes from their parents and they to a large extent learn how to act from their parents.   I did not try to make it sound like everything is black and white, I am fully aware that there are many shades of grey to every matter in life.

[LiquidEyes]

I'm with you dude.

[djiceman]

QUOTE (Alex @ May 13 2004, 14:18)

14 years old and pregnant. This wasn't heading towards a fairy tale ending, whatever happened. Her school acted irresponsibly, they should have contacted her mother and the girl should have been given proper guidence and support.

 

 

same here.... the school acted out of their own wishes, not the parent's!

[Guest Kether]

QUOTE (djiceman @ May 17 2004, 09:15)

QUOTE (Alex @ May 13 2004, 14:18) 14 years old and pregnant.  This wasn't heading towards a fairy tale ending, whatever happened. Her school acted irresponsibly, they should have contacted her mother and the girl should have been given proper guidence and support.     same here.... the school acted out of their own wishes, not the parent's! Fuck the parents.   The girl didn't want her mum to know at the time and that was wish was rightfully respected.   Check out the new Childrens Bill currently going through parliament.

[Alex]

Some people should clearly not become parents, put a knot in it next time.

[Guest Kether]

QUOTE (Alex @ May 17 2004, 14:17)

Some people should clearly not become parents, put a knot in it next time.

I'm all for eugenics.