Same tunes time and time again

[DJ Elemental]

Blink said:

Elemental, if Hard House is so easy to produce, why don't you make yourself some money by churning out a few tunes, after all, you could obviously do half-a-dozen in a day, that would pocket you a few grand, for 1/2 a days work

 

i could do, thou no challenge, so i'd get very bored, and probs end up quitin producing, which is never a good thing

[Jimmy]

shut your mouth. FOOL!

[Blink]

DJ_Elemental said:

i could do, thou no challenge, so i'd get very bored, and probs end up quitin producing, which is never a good thing

 

You must be pretty rich if you can dismiss a few grand that easily. And anyway, you wouldn't be quitting, plenty of artists have side-projects that they mess about with and throw away. If I could make a few grand that easily, I would do it

[DJ Elemental]

Captain_Cunted said:

shut your mouth. FOOL!

 

....

 

 

its true though, i'd sooner not take an easy root as i have more faith in my creativity and the challenge of trying to bring something new to the dance floor is what i live for

[DJ Elemental]

Blink said:

DJ_Elemental said:

i could do, thou no challenge, so i'd get very bored, and probs end up quitin producing, which is never a good thing

 

You must be pretty rich if you can dismiss a few grand that easily. And anyway, you wouldn't be quitting, plenty of artists have side-projects that they mess about with and throw away. If I could make a few grand that easily, I would do it

 

My hardhouse choons are my side projects, and i do exactly what you said, mess with um then throw um away, there must be a way to produce a unique consept into HH just not really messed with it enough, maybe in the winter season

[Blink]

Everyone always goes on about "selling out" and stuff, but if I had the looks and the vocal talents, I would quite happily sell out and be in a boy band for a couple of years, to get a couple of mill behind me to put into my real music project.

 

In the end, I would rather have a high quality CD recorded with our music on, and be labelled as a sell-out, cos I know our music would talk for itself.

 

[i did my first demo in '95, a month before a had a near fatal car crash, and in retospect, it was crap, it doesn't matter how good it is in your head, until it is in the public domain, it ain't worth [censored]]

 

/Rant

 

[PS that isn't aimed at you I am just in a weird mood tonight]

[LiquidEyes]

DJ_Elemental said:

Blink said:

that would pocket you a few grand, for 1/2 a days work

i could do, thou no challenge

 

Bullshit! If you could, you would! Who wouldn't!

 

Wake up and smell the roses. I don't like the fact that I have to make money, or that it should affect my choice of career, but it's a fact of life. You need money, period.

 

If you really are such an experienced producer that you could easily rake in a load of dosh, you must be minted already to turn down the opportunity. Like I said, you could sell out for now, then use the money to fund your more "credible" projects.

[LiquidEyes]

I might add: if you never listen to anyone else's dance music, how can you be objective about whether your tracks would sell?

 

Sorry if this all sounds like a dig, but I can't believe for a second that anyone would turn down easy money?

 

If you really can make good tunes that are totally un-influenced by anyone else's music, then I sincerely wish you well! But at the end of the day all music borrows from something else, in one way or another.

 

Some of the best tracks are not necessarily totally original, but rather borrow elements from two or more other styles of music in a creative way.

[LiquidEyes]

DJ Elemental - sorry for the slight harshage - please take with a pinch of salt.

 

However I think your comment, that you could easily make a load of money out of your music but it's "no challenge", is pretty bloody cocky!

 

I say this because I've been actively producing music (as a regular hobby) for the last 10+ years, and I still wouldn't make a boast of that calibre!

[DJ Elemental]

If you really are such an experienced producer that you could easily rake in a load of dosh, you must be minted already to turn down the opportunity. Like I said, you could sell out for now, then use the money to fund your more "credible" projects.

 

"The aim is the music, not the money. The goal is an audience, not the masses. For the mere fun of it, the beauty and the art of sound." thou ya im on a decent wage and charge americans vocalist insane prices to enginner tracks for them.. they need to learn the value of a pound. but i see where your coming from with the 'sell out' thing.

 

I might add: if you never listen to anyone else's dance music, how can you be objective about whether your tracks would sell?

 

i can't, its a pure gamble, end of the day as i keep telling my dad, my work is for no one else but myself, my freedom of emotion and crativity if other people enjoy it as well, thats cool, if they dont.. then they dont i guess

 

Sorry if this all sounds like a dig, but I can't believe for a second that anyone would turn down easy money?

 

again i'd miss the excitment and challenge of making it the hard way, i mean your only at the top once then your gonna fall like everyone else, so why rush to get there.

 

However I think your comment, that you could easily make a load of money out of your music but it's "no challenge", is pretty bloody cocky!

 

i meant hardhouse was no challenge, its very challenging to get music out there on a label, cause theres so much of it, guess i was just lucky over in the states, we'll see how it goes with my next release.

 

I say this because I've been actively producing music (as a regular hobby) for the last 10+ years, and I still wouldn't make a boast of that calibre!

 

My music to is only a hobby, but my main hobbie if that. More of a way of expressin my feelings or my views on something, or just to pass out the odd cheese track.

 

[Chris-Hutchinson]

Elemental - its that sorta thinking which has made the hardhouse scene so [censored]!

 

If you think you can do better, PLEASE do so - we need some variation to the stuff thats getting recycled over and over again

[DJ Elemental]

at no point did i say i was better, nor that i could do better, HH is already at its best which is why no one can come up with anything different with it, cause its all been done.

 

though i do plan to have a mess round with it when i get back from italy, too busy practising for that atm to do anything else really

[LiamStyles]

Chris Hutch - Just wondering mate, you said that your box contained 70% pre 2001 stuff? Why do you feel you have to continue playin all this older stuff? Fair enough you said that most of the new HH stuff is not to your liking but 1. If you look far enough you will find original material out there, its just a case of how much you really want to play new stuff. 2. Why limit yourself to HH? Ive heard you in various posts talking about Intec releases and techno in general. Why not explore this avenue alot more to fit in with what you already play? There is so much good techno out there that would make your sets sound alot fresher and original.

 

Just curious to why you have to resort to playin so much "old stuff"

[Chris-Hutchinson]

LiamStyles said:

Chris Hutch - Just wondering mate, you said that your box contained 70% pre 2001 stuff? Why do you feel you have to continue playin all this older stuff?

 

Its partly to do with my tastes - my main style is acidy trance which isnt exactly in abundance unfortunatly!! The current wave of hardtrance/hardhouse/nrg (what a [censored] name thay is!) is largely complete pap and does absolutly nothing for me

 

The older stuff is generally better produced - the only reason I can see for this is because it was before there was any real money in music, so the productions really were a 'labour of love' as they say... Too many producers knock tunes out with a copy of acid/fruityloops in about 2 hours that sound the same as everything else out there

 

 

 

LiamStyles said:1. If you look far enough you will find original material out there, its just a case of how much you really want to play new stuff. 2. Why limit yourself to HH? Ive heard you in various posts talking about Intec releases and techno in general. Why not explore this avenue alot more to fit in with what you already play? There is so much good techno out there that would make your sets sound alot fresher and original.

 

1. Believe me, I do look - when im record shopping I will listen to EVERYTHING that I can!! I tend to spend best part of about 6-7hrs when record shopping just to find decent tunes...its worth it, but there arn't enough out there....this is where the 'current stuff' comes into record box equation!

 

2. I love techno mate - its what I play for warmup sets, but dont get very many of them unfortunatly A lot of the current stuff im buying is techno and I really should try and sort a demo mix out to get some more sets in that style!

 

 

LiamStyles said:

Just curious to why you have to resort to playin so much "old stuff"

 

See above points - just feel that the older music actually has some 'feeling' left in it, and didnt have to resort to mindless pap!

[LiamStyles]

Like i said mate, was just curious.

 

But IMO you should deffo try and go down the techno route as another style, not just abandon the HH as you seem to have a huge passion for it, but develope your sounds to cater for more "new" stuff.

 

Just my thoughts