Has the community spirit gone on CTW?

[llamaman1562627901]

SarahPvc said:

There is no real definition - the only guideline i really go on is that they qualify as a CTW Dj if they have made the effort to send me a mix cd & a biog - surely that enough??

My point wasnt that the members (especially ones from down in London etc) should come & support the djs - more that a simple "Hope your night goes ok" would have been enough. Sometimes i feel like i give everything to the site & just get nothing but negative comments about taking control over stuff or making the site too commercial. Maybe its just me feeling crap today

 

I'm just a newbie here so take my opinion as being from one...

 

going from your post it looks like you hoped people would come and support the DJ's you classed as CTW DJ's. To be classed as CTW DJ you have to send in a biog and mix cd. That's fair enough. My guess is that what has happened is that those DJ's who aren't well known on CTW (for instance, as a newbie, I've only heard of LML) haven't got as much of a natural following amongst CTW members. I guess what I'm saying is that it might be that people don't feel compelled to support these DJ's because they don't feel they know them.

 

To get natural momentum people have to buy into the idea first. To get a feel for it. If some of the CTW DJ's aren't well known on the site, then they will have less of a following, hence less CTW members turning up etc.

 

Now this issue is completely aside from the hard work that has been put into the site and the events - that's not something I would be in a position to criticize, and if I was, I still wouldn't like to do it as hard work is hard work, and getting this stuff going must take a lot of energy and time.

 

 

 

[SarahPVC]

llamaman said:

SarahPvc said:

There is no real definition - the only guideline i really go on is that they qualify as a CTW Dj if they have made the effort to send me a mix cd & a biog - surely that enough??

My point wasnt that the members (especially ones from down in London etc) should come & support the djs - more that a simple "Hope your night goes ok" would have been enough. Sometimes i feel like i give everything to the site & just get nothing but negative comments about taking control over stuff or making the site too commercial. Maybe its just me feeling crap today

 

I'm just a newbie here so take my opinion as being from one...

 

going from your post it looks like you hoped people would come and support the DJ's you classed as CTW DJ's. To be classed as CTW DJ you have to send in a biog and mix cd. That's fair enough. My guess is that what has happened is that those DJ's who aren't well known on CTW (for instance, as a newbie, I've only heard of LML) haven't got as much of a natural following amongst CTW members. I guess what I'm saying is that it might be that people don't feel compelled to support these DJ's because they don't feel they know them.

 

To get natural momentum people have to buy into the idea first. To get a feel for it. If some of the CTW DJ's aren't well known on the site, then they will have less of a following, hence less CTW members turning up etc.

 

Now this issue is completely aside from the hard work that has been put into the site and the events - that's not something I would be in a position to criticize, and if I was, I still wouldn't like to do it as hard work is hard work, and getting this stuff going must take a lot of energy and time.

 

 

 

Some good points there - i realise that some of the CTW djs are not that well known amongst the CTW community - this isnt because they cant be arsed to come on here though, i know for a fact some of them find it really hard to get on the internet. Daz for example is spending all his spare time making tunes and trying to make it as a producer as well as having a full-time job.

My point about support though is getting mis-interpreted by some people - i didnt expect for 1 minute for loads of people to come up from London etc - just a simple comment in the post would have made a huge difference to the way i feel.

If you feel supported it makes you more wanting to put more back in & try to work out what the members want.

Thanks for your feedback though

[rachel]

I understand what you are saying Sarah it is nice to get support from people, this then makes you want to do more & makes you realise just why you are doing what you are doing.

 

To be honest though if i'm not interested in going to an event i don't tend to look at the thread. I've never read anything about this night as i knew i wouldn't go to it. As i'd not read it i didn't realise it was your night, which is maybe why a lot of the London based people haven't commented on it.

 

 

[Blink]

SarahPvc said:

There is no real definition - the only guideline i really go on is that they qualify as a CTW Dj if they have made the effort to send me a mix cd & a biog - surely that enough??

 

To be honest, Sarah, if that is the only reason a DJ becomes a CTW DJ, then I won't be going along to support them. If I was to think of people I considered CTW DJ's, I would say LML, ToxicPhil, ClaireDC (if she ever did actually DJ), and then I start to be pushed. I know there are plenty of people out there who DJ, and I apologise if I have forgotten you, but how many post first, and DJ second?

 

Further consideration...Guyster, LiamStyles, TonyP.....

[again apologies to our friend who I have forgotten]

 

I think all the names I mention are PEOPLE we know from the site who then DJ, I would like to think if, say Maria, or Mr_Happy ever got to DJ a night, we would consider them CTW DJ's and go along, I also like to think that when my band starts gigging, a few people will come along because I am "CTW's".

 

Anyone can send in a CD and a Biog, it takes commitment to post regularly. But to the same degree, I understand that although I may post regularly, people won't come to our gigs just cos I am Blink from CTW.

 

Finally tho, I apologise for missing the entirity of the posts to this event, and wish you luck with it. You are, afterall, SrahPVC from CTW.

[Guest]

I do agree with alot of what blink has just said, reguarding ppl actually going to support the CTW DJs. Or not as the case may be.

But the one thing, which Sarah has already mentioned, that suprised me was the fact that when i read the post there were very few "good lucks" or "hope it goes well". This would at least show sarah that although ppl cant make it, they are aware of it and genuinely wish everyone involved good luck.

I live miles away in another country and i was able to pick up on it, and show some support. So why cant others??

[Guest]

Blink - chuffed i made it into "other considerations"

 

lol

[Blink]

I agree with you about the "good luck" things, Liam. [My excuse is that I have had a lot of other [censored] going on in my life recently].

 

I think there is also a point to be made about the number of events being advertised, although this does seem to have got a lot more sensible than it appeared a couple of months ago, when the whole "Is CTW becoming a business" debate was going on.

 

As for "remembering" you Liam, I am sure there are other DJ's/Producers who I have forgotten, you kinda get used to it...good example is Ikon, I have been meaning to make it to an event Ikon has been involved in for months, cos alot of them are near me, and it sounds like I would enjoy them, but something always comes up

[Guest]

I'm almost sure i'll end up going Sarah, but with this works do on i cant guarantee it. I've been a bit of a recluse the past 6 months but now i'm back i'll make more of an effort to come to stuff

 

Diabs!

[Guest]

Well i posted it as an upcoming event on HarderFaster, and have been pushing it also! I know it seems that not alot has been done, but myself and ali are gonna have to endure 8 hrs travelling for an hour set each, is that not enough????

[CreamyC]

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[CreamyC]

Blink said:

ClaireDC (if she ever did actually DJ)

 

Nope, she never was a DJ and this is the problem, there are too many [censored] gobshite wannabes what are ruining the communty feel, simple as. I'm [censored] sick of it to be honest, people giving their 'expert' opinions on something they think they know about but dont, I dont know that much about music, I enjoy it but I cannot stand some expert wanker telling every man and their dog what they know. For Christ sake, it aint a competition, dont ram something down peoples throats, if you know something then good for you but dont keep going on and on about it. Isn't it any wonder I go on about it, its complete shite.

 

Let me make one thing clear, members first okay, this is a members site not a 'one poster' promoting their own night site, MEMBERS. This comment is precise to the point ...

 

FredTheBaddie says:

I came on here to meet up with mates, natter to them and go clubbing with them, not to subscribe to some stupid brand that tells me where to go and what DJ's to listen to.

 

Let me make that quite clear - members, getting sick of me saying members ? Good because then maybe it'll get through to some people finally. Heres a prime example of a post that I have now DELETED ...

 

Member: Joe Bloggs

Posts 1:

 

"Heres my new night everyone, you HAVE to come, its fantastic (which is bollox), I'll get you FREE gueslist (which is bollox) make sure you can and meet me and we'll talk (which is bollox)"

 

So I have deleted that post. Anyone that has a problem please PM me and tell me why you think I am wrong.

 

Next up, its the DJ's, yes we have a few on here, a few regulars that love this site but then we have the other groups of DJ's. They register, they [censored] off and forget all about ClubTheWorld until a week before THEIR DJ night and guess what? They post telling everyone how wicked its gonna be and that you ALL have to come. Bollox. I have no time for those sort of people, in it for themselves, not for anyone else, where the [censored] are they any other time? Cant get on the site 24/7? Come on, even Osama Bin Laden can log onto the internet at least once a week but that excuse is just lame and I smell [censored] everytime a new promoter / DJ joins telling everyone how fantastic nights are, funny how all of a sudden they can get onto the internet when their own nights are coming up. Its utter shite.

 

If you want a competition to see who knows the most about music then go to www.4clubbers.net or www.harderfaster.net because quite frankly I am sick and tired of reading the same things over and over again. Its member meet-up site / clubbing site / events site.

 

One more time - members.

 

 

[Guest]

FredTheBaddie said:

Well, according to James, this isn't a CTW event. Even if it was, I wouldn't go.

I don't want to go to a CTW sponsered event if the name is being used simply to drag members along. What does it offer me exactly ?

I came on here to meet up with mates, natter to them and go clubbing with them, not to subscribe to some stupid brand that tells me where to go and what DJ's to listen to.

And who are these 'CTW' DJs ? Do they post on here ? If they don't post apart from to promote their own nights, they are not part of the community as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather go and see DJ's I've heard of, or DJ's that I actually talk to on here.

Promoting CTW as a brand is completely wrong in my opinion and it's not why I came on the site.

 

Firstly, this post is not meant to be confrontational in any way

 

I strongly disagree with Fred’s comments above. From what I can see Sarah puts in a lot of effort with this site and asks for very little back in return, except some support from those able to give it.

 

As Fred pointed out this is not a CTW sponsored night and therefore no one has an obligation to go, but for those who can spare a few hours to attend and support one of the sites valued members it would be nice.

 

CTW is a website, and good one at that, where else do you have the opportunity to talk and meet like-minded clubbers, DJ’s, promoters & mates?

 

CTW is not used as a brand, it’s used as a website to attract clubbers who are willing to support each other. I am sure James will agree, the site was primarily designed for this purpose and not designed to be sold as a brand.

 

The site has many users who post on a day to day basis, included in these users are a significant number of DJ’s, promoters & producers, who simply ask for support for the nights that they are running from people associated in their ares.

 

The users who are DJ’s certainly don’t appear to write every post promoting themselves do they? These users are on here because they want to, and certainly won’t appreciate FTB’s comments.

 

I have spent the last 12 years of my life DJ’ing, and although I make the occasional comment about myself on the site I am certainly not using it to promote myself in an way, gain respect of get bookings out of it, anything extra I gain from the site is a bonus.

 

The comments made by FTB as shallow to say the least, but everyone is welcome to say what they think

 

James – any further comments?

 

Diablo

 

[Capn Jack]

Diablo said:

Firstly, this post is not meant to be confrontational in any way

 

The comments made by FTB as shallow to say the least, but everyone is welcome to say what they think

 

Diablo

 

Not entirely unconfrontational there Diablo, you were doing ok till that comment.

 

I actually agree with FTB, he does have a point about those DJ's that just pop in to promote their own nights and have nothing more to do with the community.

[Blink]

Diablo - I think Fred's comments were aimed at the people who only seem to use this site to promote themslevs. As I have said earlier, many of the DJ's who post on here are members first, and DJ's second. Supporting them is not an issue. It is more a case of when people just use this site to promote themselves, or when the CTW name is used just to get people along (which, as far as I'm aware, hasn't happened)

[CreamyC]

I think Fred's comments were near enough perfect to be honest. Something a few people should take notice of.