LTM

[LTM]

I believe Liquid didn't hear me when i said all in one virtual studio, where as Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic ain't much to go by without Hardware or vsti. And all that bollocks about Rewiring Cubase in Reason, I don't do that I use Reason by itself so does Airbase, Inzite (Empyryal Sun), Dreas, Misja Helsoot I suggest you try listening to some of their tracks. Reason fucking rules it's incredibly versatile Vsti support or not it certainly has two of the best in built synths you can get and it's sampling facilities are a cut above Fruity's imo. I can see I have come up against loads of Fruity users you know producers stick by their methods as a former Fruity user myself I find it very limited when compared to Reason I can't be arsed shelling out for Soft synths and such and the free ones are useless.

[LTM]

QUOTE (ReBirth @ Jun 20 2004, 00:07)

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 19 2004, 22:57) What? Anyone can reconstruct a breakdown like that ok, u do it then Mate it would be no mission at all. I'll do it then. Give me a few days I'll reproduce the breakdown and post it here. I won't make a full remix of it tho can't be bothered. It's such an easy melody to reconstruct.

[LTM]

QUOTE (ReBirth @ Jun 20 2004, 11:27)

QUOTE (Ian Cashman @ Jun 20 2004, 01:35) you can route FX however you please in logic Ian : yea, you're right, in Cubase too. I remember now that at SAE they rigged Logic, ProTools and Cubase that way sothat the students could learn to do it the right way.   But the point still stands that if you know how to use it correctly, then there's nay difference in how it sounds. If I am to redo my remix in Logic, using exactly the same VST instruments and VST plugins, you won't hear any diference Mr.LTM...   I talked to Piet and Benno this morning, and they said that they can't hear any audible difference between the pads of the original and my remix...I just find it interesting that you can hear the "fruity" sound in it, but they can't... It's obvious, your strings warp. Imagine the strings in waveform and the wave bends to a lower freq on yours every so often, well there is less of that quite clearly on the Original which is silky smooth.

Edited June 20, 2004 by LTM

[LTM]

QUOTE (Ian Cashman @ Jun 20 2004, 12:09)

Reason... i want a compressor on the kick drum.... right...lets have a look round the back, disconnect the 'virtual cables' put them where i think i should be putting it... oh no, my eyes have gone googly just looking at it and ive gotta reload the prog to get it back how i had it b4....lol the most awful interface EVER. the sequencer section is truly awful to use too. looks pretty tho lol

I take it you didn't take time to learn Reason by evidence of this post then? You want a compressor on your drums just fucking right click your redrum, nn-xt or whatever you drums re made in and create a compressor. Simple. You hardly ever have to reroute in Reason if you don't want to but it comes in incredibly handy for some special techniques like Vocoder Reverb, Audio Merging and what not.

[LTM]

QUOTE (Mr_Happy @ Jun 20 2004, 15:25)

i think LTM is trying too hard to find flaws in fruity tracks so his finding them. i reckon if we gave him 3 tracks and didnt tell him which ones were and which ones were not made in fruity, he wouldnt beable to spot the fruity tracks correctly. (a bit like that 'faking it' program )

I reckon I would to tell you the truth. Listen to these Hard Trance producers like Technikal, Rebirth, Guyver to me their tunes sound like Fruity through and through the basslines, kicks everything. It's not like they are sequenced the same but the levels the potency just the general fucking feel it's FRUITY fucks sake Mr happy asked me for my opinion in this thread you've heard it deal with it.

[James]

QUOTE (Ian Cashman @ Jun 20 2004, 11:53)

my most hated quote by reason users is...'ooh ooh... but if you rewire it into cubase, you can ...blah blah' WHY DONT YOU JUST FOOKIN USE CUBASE THEN!!!!!

LMAO!

[LiamStyles]

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 20 2004, 20:34)

QUOTE (Mr_Happy @ Jun 20 2004, 15:25) i think LTM is trying too hard to find flaws in fruity tracks so his finding them. i reckon if we gave him 3 tracks and didnt tell him which ones were and which ones were not made in fruity, he wouldnt beable to spot the fruity tracks correctly. (a bit like that 'faking it' program ) I reckon I would to tell you the truth. Listen to these Hard Trance producers like Technikal, Rebirth, Guyver to me their tunes sound like Fruity through and through the basslines, kicks everything. It's not like they are sequenced the same but the levels the potency just the general fucking feel it's FRUITY fucks sake Mr happy asked me for my opinion in this thread you've heard it deal with it. Why get so uptight? You have aired your opinion, as have others. They disagree with u.....DEAL WITH IT!   Im right.......no im right.......no.....IM RIGHT!......look u arse......im right   *very boring*

[LTM]

QUOTE (LiamStyles @ Jun 20 2004, 20:55)

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 20 2004, 20:34) QUOTE (Mr_Happy @ Jun 20 2004, 15:25) i think LTM is trying too hard to find flaws in fruity tracks so his finding them. i reckon if we gave him 3 tracks and didnt tell him which ones were and which ones were not made in fruity, he wouldnt beable to spot the fruity tracks correctly. (a bit like that 'faking it' program ) I reckon I would to tell you the truth. Listen to these Hard Trance producers like Technikal, Rebirth, Guyver to me their tunes sound like Fruity through and through the basslines, kicks everything. It's not like they are sequenced the same but the levels the potency just the general fucking feel it's FRUITY fucks sake Mr happy asked me for my opinion in this thread you've heard it deal with it. Why get so uptight? You have aired your opinion, as have others. They disagree with u.....DEAL WITH IT!   Im right.......no im right.......no.....IM RIGHT!......look u arse......im right   *very boring* Indeed I'm sorry. I just think Fruity's naff. No one can change my opinion, god bless those who make kicking tunes on that software tho. Like Gaz West. He is the man.

[Phil B]

more power to your elbow

[ReBirth]

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 20 2004, 20:18)

Mate it would be no mission at all. I'll do it then. Give me a few days I'll reproduce the breakdown and post it here. I won't make a full remix of it tho can't be bothered. It's such an easy melody to reconstruct.

which proves the point that it can be done with any program, doesn't it

[Ian Cashman]

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 20 2004, 20:30)

I take it you didn't take time to learn Reason by evidence of this post then?

No...

cos its fucking shit and i dint wanna waste my time with it.

[LiquidEyes]

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 20 2004, 20:16)

I believe Liquid didn't hear me when i said all in one virtual studio, where as Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic ain't much to go by without Hardware or vsti.

??? I'm trying to work out what your point is then. The whole point of Cubase et al is that you can plug whatever you want into them. Are you saying Cubase can't be compared to Reason just because it doesn't come bundled with as many virtual instruments or effects or whatever?

 

It's all very well saying Reason is the best 'virtual studio' when you have blatantly just defined 'virtual studio' to exclude most of the leading sequencers!!

[ReBirth]

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 20 2004, 20:20)

It's obvious, your strings warp. Imagine the strings in waveform and the wave bends to a lower freq on yours every so often, well there is less of that quite clearly on the Original which is silky smooth.

You must be hearing things then...Just got off the phone with Benno and he says he really can't hear the difference.

 

But ok, I'll accept your opinion.

[James]

I think to sum up, different people use different tools to do similar jobs

 

I doubt that many programs are that restricted in what you can achieve, its all about automation / time saving

 

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Reason: I dont know if I've got something set up incorrectly but its the only thing I've used which has had really really naff/weak sounding VIs :s

[LTM]

QUOTE (LiquidEyes @ Jun 20 2004, 21:14)

QUOTE (LTM @ Jun 20 2004, 20:16) I believe Liquid didn't hear me when i said all in one virtual studio, where as Pro Tools, Cubase and Logic ain't much to go by without Hardware or vsti. ??? I'm trying to work out what your point is then. The whole point of Cubase et al is that you can plug whatever you want into them. Are you saying Cubase can't be compared to Reason just because it doesn't come bundled with as many virtual instruments or effects or whatever?   It's all very well saying Reason is the best 'virtual studio' when you have blatantly just defined 'virtual studio' to exclude most of the leading sequencers!! Reason all in one, if needed the use of vstis rewire is there.   Cubase need to pay extra dollar for your soft synths and shit. I think all in all if you was gonna get one piece of software for your money and can't afford the add ons I'd definitely go for Reason.   James: The difference with Reason imo to Fruity or Cubase is that you sometimes got to layer the sounds to get it sounding how you want, which is no problem really. On the other hand Fruity is more about getting the sound you want straight out from the vstis.