The 5 People killed in Leeds :( Car Crash

[jon_m]

xpaulax said:

jon_m said:

xpaulax said:

the key issur here is ppl posting thier condolences, but some ppl dont like too see that. so why dont those ppl not post on this particular thread, n let ppl who want too get on with it. instead off winding ppl up, wwho have experienced this type off thing. surely on such a serious issue, u could take your callousness else where.

so what your effectively saying is - if you have an opinion that differs from the majority (flock of sheep) then dont express it? well sorry but thats not gonna happen im afraid, agree with me or not im still allowed an opinion

 

yip totally agree with u jon, u have got ur own opinion. so have ppl who wanna post thier condolences over this tragedy. so its not nice when ppl rip into them about it. thats my opinion too.

bollox to this no more!! i cant be arsed with this thread anymore!

[xpaulax]

[Blink]

jon_m said:

bollox to this no more!! i cant be arsed with this thread anymore!

 

We win

[Dawn]

My opinion on this is, if you ever have children yourselves and hear about these awful tragedies, then yes wholeheartedly "My thoughts" without any shadow of a doubt are with their parents, family and friends wether I knew them or not and long after I press the post button.

 

I find it incomprehensible some of the comments on here, does it matter who they were and where the blame lies at the end of the day 5 lives have been lost

[Capn Jack]

tidyturd said:

My opinion on this is, if you ever have children yourselves and hear about these awful tragedies, then yes wholeheartedly "My thoughts" without any shadow of a doubt are with their parents, family and friends wether I knew them or not and long after I press the post button.

 

I find it incomprehensible some of the comments on here, does it matter who they were and where the blame lies at the end of the day 5 lives have been lost

 

Well said.

[Aleksandra]

Some theoretical thoughts on this.....

 

It is perfectly possible to genuinely feel sad about someone who died even if you didn't know them.

 

It is also perfectly possible to genuinely feel for their family.

 

Sometimes, people who have lost someone recently, will feel empathy for others in their situation, even if they are complete strangers. Also, it is possible to feel that way even if you haven't suffered a personal loss. There are words like empathy and altruism, to describe this.

 

Why does this have to be attacked as fake sentimentality? Would it look less fake if instead of using the simple phrase "Thoughts are with..." they wrote a 3-page poem?

 

Also, just because someone HAS an opinion it doesn't mean that opinion has to be respected. It's what the opinion says that may or may not earn respect. And just because someone will stick with their opinion come hell or high water, that doesn't make them principled. It only makes them very closed minded. Where did this strange idea come from, that changing one's opinion is a bad thing? What happened to learning, development, progress - all of those often boil down to changing opinions? Changing one's opinion is perfectly valid if it results from 1)finding out fresh facts about something 2) being convinced through a superior argument.

 

If someone presents you with a fantastic argument, and you start to see the logic in their argument, and the flaws in your own, why is it wrong to change your opinion?

Is it maybe better to obstinately stick with your own just because it's yours, even if it's wrong? Or, I assume there are people who are simply never wrong so this scenario could never apply to them

 

If it worked that way, human race would still live in caves...........

 

And about the freedom to express opinions and the sooo overused phrase "Freedom of speech".

Yes everyone has a right to their opinion. If it stays inside their skull, whatever that opinion says it acceptable because it's not doing any harm in the external world.

However, if they chose to speak out their opinion, and that opinion happens to be damaging or harmful to others, inciting to violence etc etc etc, then they are blatantly abusing the idea of the freedom of speech.

People have this notion that freedom of speech is an absolute right and it means that you should be able to stand up and say whatever the [censored] you want about anything or anyone.

It doesn't work like that. Democracy does NOT condone "freedom of speech" if it involves harm to others etc.

 

 

[LiquidEyes]

100% agreed Aleksandra.

 

Although, I don't think anyone actually said that we should stick to our opinions regardless.

[Claire DC]

liquideyes said:

100% agreed Aleksandra.

 

Although, I don't think anyone actually said that we should stick to our opinions regardless.

 

So maybe u agree 99% ?

[Capn Jack]

liquideyes said:

100% agreed Aleksandra.

 

Although, I don't think anyone actually said that we should stick to our opinions regardless.

 

May not have been said in as many words, but some people seem to be very set in their ideologies.

[Aleksandra]

Hmmmm.....I'm not sure about that. There have been many threads where the issue of changing your mind was raised, and often there seems to be "blanket" approval for those who don't (change their mind) and witch hunt of those who do... ?

 

[Aleksandra]

In my above comment I was reply to Liquideyes, not Cpt Jack!

 

[Blink]

Aleksandra said:

Sometimes, people who have lost someone recently, will feel empathy for others in their situation, even if they are complete strangers. Also, it is possible to feel that way even if you haven't suffered a personal loss. There are words like empathy and altruism, to describe this.

 

Also, just because someone HAS an opinion it doesn't mean that opinion has to be respected. It's what the opinion says that may or may not earn respect. And just because someone will stick with their opinion come hell or high water, that doesn't make them principled. It only makes them very closed minded.

 

And about the freedom to express opinions and the sooo overused phrase "Freedom of speech".

Yes everyone has a right to their opinion. If it stays inside their skull, whatever that opinion says it acceptable because it's not doing any harm in the external world.

However, if they chose to speak out their opinion, and that opinion happens to be damaging or harmful to others, inciting to violence etc etc etc, then they are blatantly abusing the idea of the freedom of speech.

People have this notion that freedom of speech is an absolute right and it means that you should be able to stand up and say whatever the [censored] you want about anything or anyone.

It doesn't work like that. Democracy does NOT condone "freedom of speech" if it involves harm to others etc.

 

 

I think I'm in love

[jon_m]

Aleksandra said:

Some theoretical thoughts on this.....

 

It is perfectly possible to genuinely feel sad about someone who died even if you didn't know them.

 

It is also perfectly possible to genuinely feel for their family.

 

Sometimes, people who have lost someone recently, will feel empathy for others in their situation, even if they are complete strangers. Also, it is possible to feel that way even if you haven't suffered a personal loss. There are words like empathy and altruism, to describe this.

 

Why does this have to be attacked as fake sentimentality? Would it look less fake if instead of using the simple phrase "Thoughts are with..." they wrote a 3-page poem?

 

Also, just because someone HAS an opinion it doesn't mean that opinion has to be respected. It's what the opinion says that may or may not earn respect. And just because someone will stick with their opinion come hell or high water, that doesn't make them principled. It only makes them very closed minded. Where did this strange idea come from, that changing one's opinion is a bad thing? What happened to learning, development, progress - all of those often boil down to changing opinions? Changing one's opinion is perfectly valid if it results from 1)finding out fresh facts about something 2) being convinced through a superior argument.

 

If someone presents you with a fantastic argument, and you start to see the logic in their argument, and the flaws in your own, why is it wrong to change your opinion?

Is it maybe better to obstinately stick with your own just because it's yours, even if it's wrong? Or, I assume there are people who are simply never wrong so this scenario could never apply to them

 

If it worked that way, human race would still live in caves...........

 

And about the freedom to express opinions and the sooo overused phrase "Freedom of speech".

Yes everyone has a right to their opinion. If it stays inside their skull, whatever that opinion says it acceptable because it's not doing any harm in the external world.

However, if they chose to speak out their opinion, and that opinion happens to be damaging or harmful to others, inciting to violence etc etc etc, then they are blatantly abusing the idea of the freedom of speech.

People have this notion that freedom of speech is an absolute right and it means that you should be able to stand up and say whatever the [censored] you want about anything or anyone.

It doesn't work like that. Democracy does NOT condone "freedom of speech" if it involves harm to others etc.

 

fair point i guess, maybe im just a heartless fucker who cares little about anyone other than myself and those closest to me? but [censored] it i dont give a [censored]!!

[Capn Jack]

jon_m said:

fair point i guess, maybe im just a heartless fucker who cares little about anyone other than myself and those closest to me? but [censored] it i dont give a [censored]!!

 

Fair enough. You'll just have to use some diplomacy around people who do "give a [censored]", or keep your opinion to yourself and your circle of friends.

[jon_m]

Capn_Jack said:keep your opinion to yourself and your circle of friends.

No!