hard house - stupid sub-genres!

[LiquidEyes]

Can someone explain the difference between:

 

1. hard house

2. hardstyle

3. nu-NRG

 

Someone explained to me that "hard dance" is just a mixture of hard music, be it techno, trance or house. But what do these other two buzz-words mean?

 

Someone bandied this word "hardstyle" around the other week but was subsequently unable to explain what it meant! And what is so "nu" about "nu-NRG?"

 

I can't help but think people are thinking of ever more contrived names for the same old idea!

[Cherry]

ooof i'm confused

[Mr_Happy]

there seems to be 2 deffinitions of nu nrg @ the mo

 

1) nu nrg - sped up hard trance (trance-core is another anme that seems to get grouped with nu nrg).

 

2) nu nrg - hard house with a more of a knocking kick and a rumbling driving bassline as opposed to a bassy drawn out kick. also tends to be at a slightly higher bpm. artists would be like karim, glazby, casper, testtube babies

 

@ the end of the day its all hard music so i cant c the big deal

[Ian Cashman]

im prolly gonna get this wrong...hehe

 

but i see hardstyle as hard techno-ey un-melodic trance..

like what dj-scot-project plays..... kinda goose-stepping drums and loadsa filter sweeps fx and big synth noise rather than melody

 

hard house... bouncy shite

hard nrg... [censored] knows

[Chris Hutchinson]

liquideyes said:

Can someone explain the difference between:

 

Ok, will explain them through how they sound....

 

 

liquideyes said:1. hard house

 

duff-oink-duff-vrrr-duff-oink,....

 

 

liquideyes said:2. hardstyle

 

wub-wub-wub-yawn-wub-wub......

 

 

liquideyes said:3. nu-NRG

 

camp-camp-camp-camp

[LiquidEyes]

Mod1 said:

but i see hardstyle as hard techno-ey un-melodic trance.

Interesting ... sounds like a cross between psytrance and hard techno?

 

This sounds like a good description of what Nuw Idol was played at The Fridge on Saturday. (The darker, less fluffy end of trance with a heavy techno influence.)

 

The myriad of silly names are enough to scare anyone away from dance music!

[Chris Hutchinson]

Mr_Happy said:

1) nu nrg - sped up hard trance (trance-core is another anme that seems to get grouped with nu nrg).

 

Trancecore is nowt to do with anything other then freeform and hardcore

[Mr Moo]

1. Hardhouse, for an example, anything by Tidy...

 

2. Nu NRG... This is like stupidly hard, and u so hard u can hardly notice the change of choon if ur not listening for it, or unless u know the song....

 

Example id say would be U.H.T. Battle Anybody (Casper Remix)

 

3. Hardstyle.... go on soulseek and search for Lady Dana or Technoboy etc...

[ReBirth]

Moo's the most correct out of them all there...

 

Nu NRG is certainly not sped up Hard Trance..that's more in the Hardcore region..

 

Nu NRG/Hard NRG is Casper/Ingo etc...oinky and hard...

Hard House is BK/BK/BK/BK....

Hardstyle is a fusion of German Trance/Italian Techno and other more 'European' sounds...Check for stuff on Nukleuz Black..that's all Hard Style...It's easy to spot the difference between them all..

 

But I'm not really too keen on this whole pigeon-holing thing...

[Chris Hutchinson]

ReBirth said:that's all Hard Style...It's easy to spot

 

Yup - cos nobody ever buys any so its always left in record stores... thats why people think its becoming big and shops are stocking loads

[Blink]

Would I be right in assuming that Nu-NRG now has 2 meanings?

 

I remember first hearing the term Nu-NRG in about 96-97, and it did refer to music that was more like sped up trance, with bits of techno in, I would just say it was more "beepy" than HH was.

 

[LiquidEyes]

I don't understand why people feel the need to invent a new name for every single little variation on a genre ... agreed with ReBirth on the pigeon-holing thing!

 

This does happen outside of hard house as well (e.g. drum and bass, jungle, techstep, darkstep, hardstep etc!) but some of these actually sound quite different to me.

 

IMHO it makes more sense to use general adjectives to describe variations on a "main" genre.

 

E.g.

uplifting / dark / soulful / deep

trancey / techy / funky

slow / driving / fast

vocal / dubby / instrumental

intense / sparse

 

E.g. dark techy hard house or slow dubby techno. That way you don't need a bloody glossary to know what people are on about!!

 

As soon as someone invents a new name for a particular combination of styles, you end up with hundreds of tunes which all sound exactly the same as crappy artists jump on the bandwagon, and loads of DJs who pigeonhole themselves into playing that exact style!

 

Look at what happened to "speed garage" a few years ago... Some of it was good but the genre blew itself out because it became so typecast and narrowly defined!

[Mr Moo]

Blink said:

Would I be right in assuming that Nu-NRG now has 2 meanings?

 

Just like R&B now a days m8.... sad really.

 

Cos what they call R&B now a days, sure as [censored] aint Rythem & Blues!!!!

[Mr_Happy]

Mr_Moo said:

Blink said:

Would I be right in assuming that Nu-NRG now has 2 meanings?

 

Just like R&B now a days m8.... sad really.

 

Cos what they call R&B now a days, sure as [censored] aint Rythem & Blues!!!!

 

its rythem and bass now (or as i fondly refer to it: rythemless and bollox)

[Mr Moo]

Mr_Happy said:

(or as i fondly refer to it: rythemless and bollox)

 

What a VERY suitable name.