Steve Hill

[Guest]

Well im glad someone agrees with me, but believe when i say that I do get alot of stick about it.

[Mr_Happy]

miss_diddy said:

Mr_Happy said:

in his deffence tho, generic hardtrance doesnt leave much room 4 creativity or technically wizardry.

 

In your opinion mrhappy, yes!!

 

nope, not just in my opinion, fact. we're talking about mixing, NOT tune creation. hardtrance mixing is very much set by 'sign posts'. breaks at key points etc. u urself admit to mixing prog, dont u agree that takes more cretivity and technical wizardry to pull off a good set?

[Mr_Happy]

LittleMissLoud said:

And techno does?

 

Look at EZ, people will slate his music, but he's a pretty talented DJ.

 

I would prefer to hear good tunes mixed badly, than bad tunes mixed well, cos as they say "The Dj's only as good as the record"

 

Steve Hill ain't my fave, but I'd rather hear his 'generic' Hard Trance, than be bored off my ass by a load of tunes that just plod along.

 

What is it with some people - they only seem to like things if no-one else has heard of it, and anything that becomes popular is dismissed as 'cheese'.

 

Have you ever though that some tunes/ producers/ dj's become popular cos they are good?

 

This elitism really pisses me off at times, as I feel some people are just trying to prove a point how underground they are, and it's very pretentious in my opinion.

 

but we're (i'm) talking about mixing skills not tune selection so my point still stands

[Mr_Happy]

i my opinion, if they get paid to do it professionally, then they shoudl act like professionals.

 

if i'm paying a DJ to spin records than i dont want the DJ to entertain me as well. i just want him to spin records. if i wanted an entertainer then i would have expected the club to higher clowns/street performers/what ever to work with the DJ.

 

this is just my opinion mind, but i cirtinally wouldnt want my doctor to entertain me while he tells my what i'm ill with. nor would i seek medical advice from a clown.

[Lisa]

Mr_Happy said:

 

 

if i'm paying a DJ to spin records than i dont want the DJ to entertain me as well. i just want him to spin records. if i wanted an entertainer then i would have expected the club to higher clowns/street performers/what ever to work with the DJ.

 

this is just my opinion mind, but i cirtinally wouldnt want my doctor to entertain me while he tells my what i'm ill with. nor would i seek medical advice from a clown.

 

yes as you say it is your opinion, but IMO, it is nice to have a dj who is mixing tunes & looks to be having fun behind the decks too, getting crowd participation, is IMO what it is all about!!

 

you also state in a previous post where I say that it is your opinion, you say it is not yours alone, well no possible not hon, but there are some that would not agree with you, which means it is not everyone's opinion, yes!! & when you stated it it was at the time your opinion!!

[Phil rr]

doing something behind the decks is *finds right word* pleasent...but if the tunes aren't fitting together, they should go home...K90 knows exactly what he's doing, and the way he acts makes the place scream. Mr van Dyk is an absolutely miserable bastard but in his defense... (insert comment about DJ'ing)

[Guest]

Mr_Happy said:

i my opinion, if they get paid to do it professionally, then they shoudl act like professionals.

 

if i'm paying a DJ to spin records than i dont want the DJ to entertain me as well. i just want him to spin records. if i wanted an entertainer then i would have expected the club to higher clowns/street performers/what ever to work with the DJ.

 

this is just my opinion mind, but i cirtinally wouldnt want my doctor to entertain me while he tells my what i'm ill with. nor would i seek medical advice from a clown.

 

Dude, this is the worst thing ive seen you post. Totally crap!

If you pay a dj to spin records, you dont want him to entertain you?? for one thing a club will have more people than just you in it. And if you are the promoter (hence you payin hm?) then surely this atitude would be a sure fire way to go under.

But more to the point, if a DJ is playin records then he is entertaining anyway. Djing is more than just "spinnin records" with perfect mixes and if you dont believe / think that then surely you are in the scene ?? Its all about the crowd, playin those tunes that you love and know the crowd will love too. Its about intereacting with the crowd and both buzzing of each other.

 

Some of you will probably disagree but DJs are there to enjoy themselves aswell you know, its not just about turning up to get paid. Its not exactly a normal job.

[Chris Hutchinson]

ok, im not his biggest fan I will admit but the way I see it, Steve Hill is paid to entertain people.... he does his job well as people always dance.... whether he plays good or crap tunes is irrelevant - people enjoy themselves so he must be good at his job!

 

There are shitloads of different ways to approach DJing... you can go for all the anthems which will work 99% of the time, or you can dig a bit deeper in an attempt to make ya set sound different which will only work like 25% of the time in my experience.... People dont seem to want to be suprised - they all seem to want to hear the tracks they already know/own and thats one of the reasons I have missed out on so many bookings as promoters themselves have used this as a reason....

 

I aint gonna change though as I play stuff I enjoy playing - if others enjoy it then thats just a bonus for me..... The whole point of DJing is to enjoy yaself and make other people enjoy themselves! Different people want different things and its about compromise - you will never please all the people all the time, but the more you can please by whatever means you have available, the more bookings you will earn and the better your reputation as a DJ will become.....

[Chris Hutchinson]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

There are shitloads of different ways to approach DJing... you can go for all the anthems which will work 99% of the time, or you can dig a bit deeper in an attempt to make ya set sound different which will only work like 25% of the time in my experience.... People dont seem to want to be suprised - they all seem to want to hear the tracks they already know/own and thats one of the reasons I have missed out on so many bookings as promoters themselves have used this as a reason....

 

um, just in case that causes any confusion by not sounding how its meant im gonna try explaining in another way....

 

A good tune is a good tune regardless of what label its on, who is playing it, or who created it. Just because a tune might sell 20000 copies and reach the top 40 doesnt mean its cheese/crap as a lot of people seem to think..... Also, the 'i like to dig deeper' comment is just a general feeling - I do also own and play more well known tracks (Ilogik 'just cant stop' being a prime example) just to spice things up a little bit.... may not be the greatest tune I own, but it certainly gets one of the best reactions whenever I have played it out...

[LittleMissLoud]

A DJ should be able to mix as standard.

 

However, if the DJ ain't enjoying themselves, then why should the crowd? I strongly believe in crowd interaction, as it just makes the atmosphere that little bit more electric, and as a clubber, I like nothing more than hearing wicked tunes AND watching the DJ have it!!

 

The mxing should be tight, but as a clubber, on the floor, anything else is a bonus. If some DJ's attempted to view things from a clubbers point of view, then maybe they would understand.

[Phil B]

Mr_Happy said:

i my opinion, if they get paid to do it professionally, then they shoudl act like professionals.

 

They should be able to mix..that is part of their job.

 

if i'm paying a DJ to spin records than i dont want the DJ to entertain me as well. i just want him to spin records. if i wanted an entertainer then i would have expected the club to higher clowns/street performers/what ever to work with the DJ.

 

That means if you were a promoter you are running the club on your ideals, f**k the clubbers, running a night is all about the clubbers!

 

this is just my opinion mind, but i cirtinally wouldnt want my doctor to entertain me while he tells my what i'm ill with. nor would i seek medical advice from a clown.

 

@ the comparison...nowhere near close...if i go to the doctors i want him to tell me whats wrong with me and to hopefully put me right...if i go clubbing i want to see a dj who is having it just as much as the crowd. whether you agree or not djing is all about entertaining a crowd

[Chris Hutchinson]

Phil_B said:

Mr_Happy said:

i my opinion, if they get paid to do it professionally, then they shoudl act like professionals.

 

They should be able to mix..that is part of their job.

 

I disagree - DJs are entertainers.... they play other peoples music.... being able to mix is just a bonus

[Phil B]

Chris_Hutchinson said:

I disagree - DJs are entertainers....

 

i wish people would read what i post!

 

Phil_B said:

whether you agree or not djing is all about entertaining a crowd

 

Chris_Hutchinson said:

being able to mix is just a bonus

 

i cant believe people think that being able to mix is just a bonus makes me wonder why the f**k i bother really!

[Chris Hutchinson]

Phil_B said:

Chris_Hutchinson said:

I disagree - DJs are entertainers....

 

i wish people would read what i post!

 

Phil_B said:

whether you agree or not djing is all about entertaining a crowd

 

Chris_Hutchinson said:

being able to mix is just a bonus

 

i cant believe people think that being able to mix is just a bonus makes me wonder why the f**k i bother really!

 

Being able to beatmatch doesnt mean [censored] though - you could train a monkey to beatmatch.... think it was loudy (sorry if not!) who said something along the lines of "would rather hear a great set mixed badly, then a bad set mixed well" and I agree completely!

[Guest]

Agreed Phil, Im sure if Chris went to see DJ Z and his mixing was all over the place, he would be the 1st to comment on it, the fact the tunes he played were good would be forgotten about.

 

What my point is, although mixing (to a certain standard) is pretty much compulsary some DJs get carried away with that and forget that they are there to entertain the crowd.