FL4.2

[Digital Liquid]

I hear what you're sayin about the different sequencers to use and to a degree, you're right - no matter which base you use, you're still gonna rely upon 3rd party vst's to do the talkin ! - There are v e r y few sounds/vsts/samples which I use which were supplied by the sequencer vendor - Native Instruments are one of the best and, most used by me - Absynth is gorgeous.

 

However, having now fully immersed myself in the land of FL4.2 (Was 3.56) I am pleased to say I shall never need look at another sequencing package again.

 

Indeed, what can be done in other software sequencers that can't be done in FL Studio ? - NOTHIN!

 

[Ian Cashman]

digitalliquid said:

Indeed, what can be done in other software sequencers that can't be done in FL Studio ? - NOTHIN!

 

can you assign ANY action to be a key command?

logic is fully cusomisable to work how you want it to work. if a certain aspect of fruity gets on ya tits you are stuck with it.

 

im not gonna get dragged into this debate again, but i still think (after recently looking at 4.2) that fruity is a bit lame.

[LiquidEyes]

digitalliquid said:

Indeed, what can be done in other software sequencers that can't be done in FL Studio ? - NOTHIN!

Have you ever used another sequencer package in earnest? I can think of tons of Cubase SX features which I use on a regular basis, that Fruity can't achieve.

 

E.g.

You can't "chop up" / fade / process audio tracks visually (possibly the most important feature!)

You can't route the outputs from any track or group to any other group arbitrarily;

You can't visualise the channel/effect automation (on Cubase you can drag the points around, and pick and choose which automation channels are visible on the main arrangement window);

It's much less customisable (keyboard shortcuts, window arrangements);

You can't colour code different parts/variations (as far as I'm aware) to make the arrangement more visual;

You can't even run it in a bloody window! (Always full-screen, doh!)

 

Having said that, FL is a very slick, simple sampler with some basic sequencing abilities. But for you to say it is comparable to Cubase (or whatever), just shows that you have never used Cubase properly!

[Simon_C1562626685]

You can't "chop up" / fade / process audio tracks visually (possibly the most important feature!)

Admitedly u can't fade audio tracks visually (at least not in FL Studio 4.1 which i use) but u can cop them up and re-arrange them

 

You can't route the outputs from any track or group to any other group arbitrarily;

I'm not the brightest person to be fair so i don't know what arbitrarily is, but it is possible to route FX tracks to other FX tracks in FL Studio

 

You can't visualise the channel/effect automation (on Cubase you can drag the points around, and pick and choose which automation channels are visible on the main arrangement window);

It isn't possible to do this in the main arrange window, but it is possible to view them visually, and peronally i find it easier to edit them in fruity as u have a larger area to work in and can make ur changes more accurate (this however i just personal preferance)

 

It's much less customisable (keyboard shortcuts, window arrangements);

Agree with u totally on this one, one of it's m,ajor flaws, but i'm used to working around this now so not a major problem for me, but it's something i think they should look at in the future

 

You can't colour code different parts/variations (as far as I'm aware) to make the arrangement more visual;

You can't even run it in a bloody window! (Always full-screen, doh!)

It is actually possible to colour code parts in FL Studio now, which i don't actually use but mainly cause i can't be arsed deciding what colour to use for what part,...i'm lazy like that u see

 

[Simon_C1562626685]

oh and just as a little sub note, i find it a lot easier to do any editing of audio in wavelab or soundforge. Yes it does take slightly longer but u get a lot more control over what your doing

[LiquidEyes]

Simon_C said:

You can't route the outputs from any track or group to any other group arbitrarily;

I'm not the brightest person to be fair so i don't know what arbitrarily is, but it is possible to route FX tracks to other FX tracks in FL Studio

It just means "without rules" or "in any combination".

 

For example in Cubase you could do this:

 

Route tracks 1&2 to group track A;

Route tracks 3&4 plus group track A to group track B;

Route tracks 5&6 to group track C;

Route group tracks B & C to a further group track D.

etc etc.

 

And you can apply different effects to each and every track or group track (forming a tree of nested effects). Very useful!

 

E.g. it makes it easy to apply a filter to a group of drums, and then apply a further filter to that group of drums plus a bassline.

[Simon_C1562626685]

u learn something new every day don't u. And yes i believe it is possible to do this in fruity but not really looked into it extensively yet as i've not needed to use this

 

[LiquidEyes]

I am a heavy user of Fruity, and I don't believe you can do what I just said. If you find out how, I'm all ears!

[Claire DC]

liquideyes said:

I am a heavy user of Fruity, and I don't believe you can do what I just said. If you find out how, I'm all ears!

 

I thought you used cubase?

[Mr Happy]

liquideyes said:

I am a heavy user of Fruity, and I don't believe you can do what I just said. If you find out how, I'm all ears!

 

i think the main difference here tho is that you use fruity loops to create your drum patterns, where as simon is using fruity studio which if i'm understanding this correctly, is a 'delux' edition (so to speek) of what your currently using.

[Mr Happy]

Claire DC said:

liquideyes said:

I am a heavy user of Fruity, and I don't believe you can do what I just said. If you find out how, I'm all ears!

 

I thought you used cubase?

 

he used both but sticks to cubase to sequence/etc the track from what i gather. fruity is just used to 'test pilot' ideas before getting bogged down in cubase with it all

[Claire DC]

yppaH_rM said:

Claire DC said:

liquideyes said:

I am a heavy user of Fruity, and I don't believe you can do what I just said. If you find out how, I'm all ears!

 

I thought you used cubase?

 

he used both but sticks to cubase to sequence/etc the track from what i gather. fruity is just used to 'test pilot' ideas before getting bogged down in cubase with it all

 

 

Ahh i see.. what Olly does kinda but then he sequences in Acid!! Thanks Happy!!

[LiquidEyes]

That's right Mr Happy. I make my loops on FL Studio 4, then export them and import them into Cubase SX to make my final arrangement, complete with MIDI parts, automation etc.

 

N.B. I spend at least as much time on FL as I do using Cubase, which is amusing since FL cost about 7 times less!!

[Claire DC]

liquideyes said:

That's right Mr Happy. I make my loops on FL Studio 4, then export them and import them into Cubase SX to make my final arrangement, complete with MIDI parts, automation etc.

 

N.B. I spend at least as much time on FL as I do using Cubase, which is amusing since FL cost about 7 times less!!

 

When u said about bein ah eavy user of fruity i just assumed an error with ur thought makin u type it wrong if u get me? Because of how much i hear u speak about cubase.. i thought thats all u used for some reason!! Whats the benefits in doint hings how you do as opposed to just using fruity or just using cubase then? I know olly did similar but with acid and fruity and was always wondering why!!

 

Also another thing is.. i dont think the difference in what u can do in each is significant enough to justify the difference in price!! What do you think?

[LiquidEyes]

I use FL & Cubase for different parts of songwriting.

 

FL: for making loops. The clue is in the name!

Just drag & drop drum samples (or whatever) onto tracks ... you can create a funky rhythm in seconds. It has loads of good built-in plugins, filters, good EQs etc. The interface is as slick as! Drag the knobs around and get instant feedback (low latency, no clicks, fast screen update).

 

FL is a bit [censored] for audio editing (chopping up sounds etc) so I use a shareware audio editor called Goldwave for recording in the odd sample from a record or my synth. You can zoom in and out, trim and process audio in seconds.

 

Once I've got some [censored]-hot loops running in FL, I export them track by track as WAV files, then import them into Cubase SX. From here I worry about the arrangement, automating effects etc, and playing in the odd MIDI part to play back through my synth. FL is a bit lame on the MIDI editing front as far as I am aware. SX makes it easy to create variations on audio parts (e.g. just trim to the first beat of a one-bar sample and loop it / reverse segments of it / etc). Also, once you record automation (moving effect knobs in real time) you can view the automated parameters as graphs in the main editing window, and drag the points around to fine-tune.

 

Frankly that only touches on a fraction of Cubase's features!

 

I can't do half of the arrangement things I want with FL, but FL is a much easier-to-use starting point for pissing around with ideas for a new track.