CTW DJs Phil B Posted November 17, 2003 CTW DJs Share Posted November 17, 2003 Obviously everyone has their own opinion as to what they class as hard....but what is it? Is your opinion based on just the genre you listen to or in dance music as a whole? Quote www.djphilbenson.co.uk - updated 28/08/04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members Louise Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 17, 2003 dont start another "thats not hard IMO" war Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members Jimmy Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 17, 2003 at the end of the day its all down to a matter of opinion and not everyone is gonna think something is as hard as the other.... but I think techno is the hardest form of dance wether it be hardcore techno or your usual ignition technician type techno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW DJs Phil B Posted November 17, 2003 Author CTW DJs Share Posted November 17, 2003 I'm not, this is a genuine question, I'm just asking for peoples views on what ' they' class as hard, that's why I also asked how their opinion was based! Quote www.djphilbenson.co.uk - updated 28/08/04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Promotors CreamyC Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Promotors Share Posted November 17, 2003 Phil_B said: A question....what do you define as hard? Channel X on Sky Digital. Quote CreamyC™ Email: CreamyC@ClubTheWorld.uk MSN: CreamyCTW@Hotmail.com Mobile: 07956 462 642 (T-Mobile) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW DJs Phil B Posted November 17, 2003 Author CTW DJs Share Posted November 17, 2003 Quote www.djphilbenson.co.uk - updated 28/08/04 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members Mr Happy Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 17, 2003 for me, hard music isnt about the BPM. granted faster music is genrally harder, but not always. i think hard music is crisp music. lots of hi-end crisp noices and choppy percusion. also a solid heavy bassline. i dont find hardcore that hard at all as its full of breakdowns (which breaks the flow of the tune) and tends to be very 'fluffy' with the samples (ie lacks that crispness that NRG or techno has). theres some electro tunes that i would descibe as hard even though the bpm is probably half of what sarah pvc listens to. Quote Mr Happy's fishy fish MangaFish munch munch MSN & e-mail - mangafish@mangafish.net AOL - MangaMorgan Online mixes - http://www.mangafish.net/mixes/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members tommy Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 17, 2003 yppaH_rM said: theres some electro tunes that i would descibe as hard Happy !! I always agree with you about things musical, but electro ?!?!?! My defenition of hard would be record labels such as Tresor and producers such as Fumiya Tanaka. Proper noisy techno. It gives the impression of being faster than it is coz there's so much going on in the tune. I do think that there are loads of genres of music which have tunes that are really hard tho, like gabba, drum & bass even rock music !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members LiquidEyes Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 17, 2003 My opinion on what makes a track hard: * Intense texture (heavily layered, highly compressed "noisy" sounds, the perceptual "loudness" and punchiness of the track) * Intense rhythm: a barrage of sound (i.e. not just a "bosh" on the offbeat!) * Relatively atonal (i.e. not tuneful) or in a dark-sounding key/mode; although there is a fine line before it just sounds mindless! * Dark/serious sounding (anything with hoovers, or with too high a BPM, just sounds silly/cheesy to me) * Energetic: not just the BPM, but the intensity of the bassline and percussion, and the "roll" of the groove (that sense of drive you get from an ingeniously crafted techy loop) * Minimal (to me, minimal tunes always sound tougher-edged) Of course there is a compromise between "hardness" and "musicality". Anyone can make a "wall of noise" which is hard in the terms I've defined. However to make something which is also great music - something that unravels/progresses in an interesting way, something with a spark of originality, something with crisp production, something that still has that essential ingredient of funk & drive - is much harder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members LiquidEyes Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 17, 2003 Agreed Tommy. I would class some relatively slow tech-house as "hard", despite also being very funky: because it is really intense, has a real sense of drive to it, and has really nasty/[censored] up sounds in it! BTW I agree with Mr Happy, I've got an electro CD which is pretty hard in places. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members tommy Posted November 17, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 17, 2003 liquideyes said: Agreed Tommy. I would class some relatively slow tech-house as "hard", despite also being very funky: because it is really intense, has a real sense of drive to it, and has really nasty/[censored] up sounds in it! BTW I agree with Mr Happy, I've got an electro CD which is pretty hard in places. Deffo agree with the funky techno; Jel Fords' latest release on Tortured is quite nasty in places whilst still having that funky flava. Deffo recomend it. Iv'e got quite a bit of electro, got some dark stuff but not anything I'd class as being hard. Wouldn't mind trying some tho, if either of you have any recomendations ? Happy: is that Billy Nasty CD quite hard ? *Off to make some hard-as-nails euro pop* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members Phil rr Posted November 18, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 18, 2003 most stuff played at an insomniacz night/morning oh and two words: NO BREAKDOWNS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members LiquidEyes Posted November 18, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 18, 2003 Dunno about "no breakdowns", but yes, relentlessness is the key! I would sooner say "fewer and less predictable/formalaic breakdowns", and "breakdowns which keep the pace going". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members BenRW Posted November 18, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 18, 2003 how does no breakdowns make a track hard. Surely a driving hard as fook bassline and stormin non trancy tune makes it hard. Quote I was going to post a gag about flagellation, necrophilia and bestiality but it's just flogging a dead horse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CTW Members LiquidEyes Posted November 18, 2003 CTW Members Share Posted November 18, 2003 Because the last thing you want, when you're really getting into a relentless, energetic, pounding track, is an anti-climactic breakdown! Worse still: really predictable, formulaic breakdowns, where you know exactly how many bars it's going to be until the beat comes back in... a lame snare roll and 4 crashes ... yawn! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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